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PostPosted: 11 Mar 2023, 23:17 
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Most reviews seems to agree that it is medium to slow, with average dwell but it ends about there, some reviewers state that it has good control, no control, good feeling, no feeling etc

"Wonderful feeling blade. Mine has a long flared large sized flared handle with fits beautifully in my extra large hands. Heavy weapon that will need you to adjust your strokes if you are used to thin 5ply blades. Unless you have wrists of steel forget wristy flicks. If you are a die hard looper you would find this unwieldy and your triceps will scream in pain. Great feeling blade with soft touch and great dwell time. Very different feel to hinoki so this is not a cheap alternative but a blade with its own distinctive character. It is lighter in comparison with non Japanese hinoki variants."

"This blade is really much different than any other blades I have used. The speed is not problem, dwell time is good and all other individual features are quite ok. BUT: it is so different in fast game that it would require its own playing style. I do not want to build my playing technique on to this blade, although I suppose I could learn to play with this blade. The playing with this blade was little like playing against long pips, but the disturbance was coming from own blade! I felt like the spin and the throw angle would have changed according to an unknown reason. Short game was quite ok. I used this blade with max thickness Xiom Sigma Euro and Pro rubbers that have worked well on any other blades. My blade weights 96 g."

"Pair up mine with ritc 729 08. Definitely a defensive weapon in that set up, lack control at high speed, but in slow to medium speed loops, might frustrate opponents, since I'm an offensive two wing looper, this blade serves as a good practice as departure from my stiga cr blade which helps alot in my offensive style. Maybe I'll abandon my j1 if I found a better blade, as my stiga got stolen in a tournament. If anyone is buying this blade for the ayous single ply, do note that it's thick and heavy, small hands not recommended to wield this thing, and again imho definitely a defensive blade rather than attacking and will recommend to anyone practising backspins, loop and defensive games. "

Can you guys help me with it ?


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I've not tried this particular blade, but 1-ply blades do play very different to regular blades, which takes some adjusting. Some people will love it, some hate it.
Since it's a 1-ply, I'd expect there will be very significant variation between blades as well, depending on the batch of timber and the cut for any specific blade.
That may help also explain the wide range of views.

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haggisv wrote:
I've not tried this particular blade, but 1-ply blades do play very different to regular blades, which takes some adjusting. Some people will love it, some hate it.
Since it's a 1-ply, I'd expect there will be very significant variation between blades as well, depending on the batch of timber and the cut for any specific blade.
That may help also explain the wide range of views.


Plus one on all the above -- one-plys can vary enormously in their performance and feel, depending on the wood they are made from (some vary more than others).

Also consider that Ayous has a pretty wide density range to it, as well as some extremely large end-grain pores to it....(which is why I'm actually a bit surprised that someone made a one-ply out of Ayous. There are so many other better woods that you can use. If they wanted to go with an African wood for cost reasons, surely Gabon would have been a better call? Oh well... maybe they didn' want the blade to be too fast)

While I'm not familiar with that blade, or the reviews, I'm willing to hazard a bet that those saying the blade is slow, are using blades with smaller or less than average end grain pores in the Ayous. It would account for the enormous variation people are reporting in their various reviews. (which is always part of the problem with Ayous really).

As a die-hard maker and user of one-ply blades myself though, I'm curious -- what properties exactly are you looking for with your blade?

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Wakkibatty wrote:
haggisv wrote:
I've not tried this particular blade, but 1-ply blades do play very different to regular blades, which takes some adjusting. Some people will love it, some hate it.
Since it's a 1-ply, I'd expect there will be very significant variation between blades as well, depending on the batch of timber and the cut for any specific blade.
That may help also explain the wide range of views.


Plus one on all the above -- one-plys can vary enormously in their performance and feel, depending on the wood they are made from (some vary more than others).

Also consider that Ayous has a pretty wide density range to it, as well as some extremely large end-grain pores to it....(which is why I'm actually a bit surprised that someone made a one-ply out of Ayous. There are so many other better woods that you can use. If they wanted to go with an African wood for cost reasons, surely Gabon would have been a better call? Oh well... maybe they didn' want the blade to be too fast)

While I'm not familiar with that blade, or the reviews, I'm willing to hazard a bet that those saying the blade is slow, are using blades with smaller or less than average end grain pores in the Ayous. It would account for the enormous variation people are reporting in their various reviews. (which is always part of the problem with Ayous really).

As a die-hard maker and user of one-ply blades myself though, I'm curious -- what properties exactly are you looking for with your blade?


I was looking for a soft, all around but specially controllable blade. I am a beginner Jpen and my style is quite defensive, I mainly block until I can get a counter hit or a powerloop in


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nighitimare wrote:
I was looking for a soft, all around but specially controllable blade. I am a beginner Jpen and my style is quite defensive, I mainly block until I can get a counter hit or a powerloop in


Gotcha - thank you for that. :)

Given the type of blade you are after, I can understand now why you are interested in one that is made from Ayous / Obeche.

While I haven't tried the blade you mentioned, all things considered it could be a good purchase for you, if you can find yourself a good one.

In my experience , the more pores a core wood shows in its endgrain, the more springy the blade tends to feel to me personally, and Ayous is no exception. Ayous is typically regarded as a reasonably springy and spongy core wood on the whole, though really it depends hugely on the individual blade in question, the individual pieces of wood involved, and the individual who's currently using them.

If you wanted a reasonably sedate Ayous one-ply blade, I would consider looking for one which has relatively fewer pores in its end grain. (NB: my dealings with Ayous are limited to multi-ply blades with Ayous cores. Playing characteristics in a blade are always largely relative, so I encourage you to try out different blades and decide for yourself, rather than put too much weight in reviews.)

Further details on typical timber end-grain features, and what Ayous end-grain pores look like, can all be found:

...here ==>> https://www.wood-database.com/obeche/ \
...here: ==>> https://www.wood-database.com/wood-arti ... d-anatomy/
...and here ==>> https://www.wood-database.com/wood-arti ... d-anatomy/


If you're looking for any potential alternative one-ply timbers to Ayous which may also have a soft feel to them, there's a few alternatives you may wish to consider:

HINOKI / CYPRESS:
As you know, most jpen blades are typically one-plys made from hinoki or cypress - both these woods give you very good touch / spin / speed / control, though they are also not exactly always beginner-friendly, solely for their speed. Both Hinoki and Cypress however can have a very soft touch on a short game, and have excellent control. in general, with a far softer feel than your typical carbon/composite blade.

WILLOW:
If you are looking for a blade that will absorb ball speed when blocking (as opposed to reflecting it back to your opponent) then Willow is a good choice. While a Willow one-ply will be hard to find, Darker make some excellent defensive multi-ply blades using Willow that may be close to what you are looking for (they also are more likely to have something in a jpen that could suit your playing style)

BALSA:
Balsa (thanks to the Balsa effect) is an excellent blocking wood which can still give you good control on your short game, as well as plenty of counter-attacking power close to the table. A thick blade teamed with Koto outers may be just the ticket for the game style you describe, though you will wrestle with blocking faster shots from your opponent.

If I recall correctly, I have heard that there are some balsa one-plys out there apparently, though I could not direct you to any off the top of my head. A balsa one-ply would need to be made of reasonably dense balsa in order to work - such timber is usually found at the buttress of the tree trunk, where the trunk meets the roots of the tree. You can spot it by its far darker colour - its more of a dull-browny-grey colour as opposed to the usual stark white wood from the trunk.

KIRI / BASSWOOD / LINDEN
All the above are reasonable all-round control woods -- Again, not all of these commonly feature in commercial one-plys, but given their physical characteristics and average densities, I see no reason why they couldn't all feature in a handmade one-ply (especially since you are looking for a softer touch blade)


OTHER EXOTICS
The above timber species are all very commonly used in blades of all varieties by numerous manufacturers - largely because they are all reasonably cheap, readily available, and well-suited to their particular purpose.

That said, just because the above timbers are commonly used in blades, does not necessarily mean they are the best timber options out there. I know of a few other, more exotic timber options (apart from the above) for example, which may also do the job for you, and may potentially out-perform all the above. I hesitate to recommend them at this point for a few reasons, including the fact some of them are better-suited to either specialist applications in a blade and/or more advanced play. In the end though, this is immaterial - Most if not all the above options will do the job for you quite nicely.

Hope this helps - happy to answer more questions if required. :)

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