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PostPosted: 20 Apr 2021, 08:56 
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Its been a while since I've searched up new rubbers and it appears as though the trend is for a hard tensor rubber with tacky topsheet.

Just wondering if it is pure marketing or if there is some merit to it with the new balls.

Most of the manufacturers seem to be coming out with their own versions such as
Yasaka Razka Z
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Gewo Hype XT
Tibhar Hybrid K1
Victas V>402

Are these all generally very similar. They all seem to have harder sponge than previous tensors. Is this to try and be more chinese like?

I'm wondering whether for my next rubber to go with one of these or whether to stick with something like the trusty Barracuda.

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Most of the opinions about these rubbers are from classic tensor players and they all say that they have dead feeling, are very slow and no spin. The same classic opinion from euro players about tacky rubbers.

I never played with them, but I imagine that these rubbers are just like any other tensor rubber but with chinese feeling: they are factory tuned, the tunning goes away in 2 weeks, the topsheet gets old in two months and you need to buy another sheet.



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In general, I agree with Aurelian.

However, the popular rubber BTY Dignics 09C is tacky, and both professionals (e.g. Timo Boll & Dimitrij Ovtcharov) and normal players like this rubber. So expensive tacky rubbers like Hurrican 3 Blue/Black National and D09C may be able to compete with traditional tensor rubbers in terms of power (not necessary speed) and quality.

Go for barracuda if you don't mind that it is losing its grip nowadays, or you can buy either one above.

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POPULAR SUPERSTITIONS ABOUT MIGHTINESS SUPPOSEDLY INHERENT IN TABLE TENNIS EQUIPMENT.
(Very much like those irrational beliefs found in plenty amongst Africa's primitive tribes.)
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A fetish (derived from the Portuguese feiti├žo) is an object
believed to have supernatural powers, or in particular, a human-
made object that has power over others. Essentially, fetishism is the
attribution of inherent value, or powers, to a particular table tenis rubber such as Butterfly Tenergy and suchlike.

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Thanks for replies everyone (except Igorponger, I have no idea what he's on about).

In the end I've gone with Donic Bluegrip C2 2.0mm.

Hopefully it does the job. As long as its between LKT XP Pro which I find to slow, and MX-P which I found too bouncy, it should be fine.

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I don't know if anyone else remembers this. A while back, Brett talked about how actual international-level pros regarded the rubber issue. This is one of the very few times he's actually mentioned equipment, so it's notable - it's buried in there somewhere in that gigantic "how to do strokes" thread. This is what I recall he said (and this is from memory, so I might get something wrong): To professionals, there's only three kinds of (standard, inverted, attacking) rubber. Tenergy, European (i.e. Tensors) and Chinese. Everything falls within these groups. The problem with European rubbers is sometimes they "slip" and don't grab/lift the ball when they should. The problem with Chinese rubbers is sometimes high hits against lobs go wild. Therefore most actual pros (as opposed to high-level enthusiasts) will use Tenergy, even those pros sponsored by companies other than Butterfly. Even the top Chinese players (with a very few exceptions) use Tenergy on the backhand or the reverse, and you'll note they reverse the racket when hitting against lobs. I wonder how Dignics 09C falls into this scheme of things - I imagine it (and the new tacky Tensors) won't have the "slipping" problem, but would they have the lob-hitting problem? I guess it remains to be seen - do Ovtcharov and Boll use Dignic 09C on both sides, or do they still use Tenergy on the backhand?

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Don't know how often this site gets updated, or how thorough their research is:

https://tabletennis.guide/goods.php?sec ... popularity

but according to this, for what its worth, Boll's switched back to Tenergy 05 both sides, while Ovtcharov plays with Dignics 09C/Dignics 05. It's still amazing how dominant Tenergy 05 is among this class of players.

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Here is an interesting video about 09C from the man himself:


Looks like he still uses it.

I am wondering about one thing, is black 09C better than red 09C just like with Chinese tacky rubbers or are they identical?


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iskandar taib wrote:
Don't know how often this site gets updated, or how thorough their research is:

https://tabletennis.guide/goods.php?sec ... popularity

but according to this, for what its worth, Boll's switched back to Tenergy 05 both sides, while Ovtcharov plays with Dignics 09C/Dignics 05. It's still amazing how dominant Tenergy 05 is among this class of players.

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I'm not surprised he went back to T05,I found Dignics 05 slower,less arc and spin,serve return
push was harder to keep flat,almost zero effect with
Falco booster 3 layers and I gave up on it,with the T05 Its almost like playing on autopilot

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dazzler wrote:
iskandar taib wrote:
Don't know how often this site gets updated, or how thorough their research is:

https://tabletennis.guide/goods.php?sec ... popularity

but according to this, for what its worth, Boll's switched back to Tenergy 05 both sides, while Ovtcharov plays with Dignics 09C/Dignics 05. It's still amazing how dominant Tenergy 05 is among this class of players.

Iskandar

I'm not surprised he went back to T05,I found Dignics 05 slower,less arc and spin,serve return
push was harder to keep flat,almost zero effect with
Falco booster 3 layers and I gave up on it,with the T05 Its almost like playing on autopilot


He's not back at all, see the last post, he's very happy with 09c. Table tennis.guide and table tennis reference are not accurate at all.


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I have been playing lots with Tenergy 05 and 25. recently tried the Nexxus series and must say the EL 48 Pro is very good. will switch full time to this rubber asap in fact.
has anyone tried those?

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Tony Funk My Racket wrote:
I have been playing lots with Tenergy 05 and 25. recently tried the Nexxus series and must say the EL 48 Pro is very good. will switch full time to this rubber asap in fact.
has anyone tried those?

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Aurelian wrote:
Tony Funk My Racket wrote:
I have been playing lots with Tenergy 05 and 25. recently tried the Nexxus series and must say the EL 48 Pro is very good. will switch full time to this rubber asap in fact.
has anyone tried those?

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Is it Tacky?
it does not stick like chinese rubber but there is very good grip. as good or even better as Tenergy imho

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Aurelian wrote:
dazzler wrote:
iskandar taib wrote:
Don't know how often this site gets updated, or how thorough their research is:

https://tabletennis.guide/goods.php?sec ... popularity

but according to this, for what its worth, Boll's switched back to Tenergy 05 both sides, while Ovtcharov plays with Dignics 09C/Dignics 05. It's still amazing how dominant Tenergy 05 is among this class of players.

Iskandar

I'm not surprised he went back to T05,I found Dignics 05 slower,less arc and spin,serve return
push was harder to keep flat,almost zero effect with
Falco booster 3 layers and I gave up on it,with the T05 Its almost like playing on autopilot


He's not back at all, see the last post, he's very happy with 09c. Table tennis.guide and table tennis reference are not accurate at all.


As usual for websites like this, take it with a grain of salt. Even with the best of intentions it's hard for anyone to keep track of everyone and to keep everything completely up to date. Not that it really matters in the scheme of things, except for enthusiasts like us... :lol:

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