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Does Butterfly use the scale on the left? The Tenergy rubbers are supposedly 36 degrees (which makes them a lot softer than most of the rubbers I've seen reviewed on the forum); I'm trying to find a rubber that's ideally about as soft as... maybe Tenergy 64 (anything softer is fine too), but slower (so I can chop with it on my FH). I would get Sriver El but it's not available on the website I plan on buying from (tabletennis11) :P
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Does anyone know whether DHS, Palio and Yinhe use the same hardness scale or not? Friendship 729 uses different hardness scale than DHS for sure.
Is Palio 36 degrees=Yinhe 36 degrees= DHS 36 degrees or not?
If not- please advise how they compare?


I think for Palio it depends on where the rubber is made, if in China then the scale should be the same...if in Europe then they quote the European scale figures. Confusing. For instance Palio Blitz, Thor's, and a couple of others are made in Europe and use the same scale as Donic, Andro, and Tibhar.

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Does Butterfly use the scale on the left? The Tenergy rubbers are supposedly 36 degrees (which makes them a lot softer than most of the rubbers I've seen reviewed on the forum); I'm trying to find a rubber that's ideally about as soft as... maybe Tenergy 64 (anything softer is fine too), but slower (so I can chop with it on my FH). I would get Sriver El but it's not available on the website I plan on buying from (tabletennis11) :P
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Nope: they use their own scale. Tenergies are supposedly to be 48 degrees; FX 42 degrees.

T64 is soft because of it's topsheet. Maybe try the FX version (that's a bit slower)? Or do you want something significant slower?

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Does Butterfly use the scale on the left? The Tenergy rubbers are supposedly 36 degrees (which makes them a lot softer than most of the rubbers I've seen reviewed on the forum); I'm trying to find a rubber that's ideally about as soft as... maybe Tenergy 64 (anything softer is fine too), but slower (so I can chop with it on my FH). I would get Sriver El but it's not available on the website I plan on buying from (tabletennis11) :P
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Nope: they use their own scale. Tenergies are supposedly to be 48 degrees; FX 42 degrees.

T64 is soft because of it's topsheet. Maybe try the FX version (that's a bit slower)? Or do you want something significant slower?

Well, I did say I would get Sriver El if I could :P I would get Vega Europe (normal, not df) but I'm afraid that it might be too uncontrollable in the short game.

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Well, I did say I would get Sriver El if I could :P I would get Vega Europe (normal, not df) but I'm afraid that it might be too uncontrollable in the short game.


Well, Sriver EL it will be. :lol: You can see from there if it isn't too slow.

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Well, I did say I would get Sriver El if I could :P I would get Vega Europe (normal, not df) but I'm afraid that it might be too uncontrollable in the short game.


Well, Sriver EL it will be. :lol: You can see from there if it isn't too slow.

It isn't available on tt11 though :P

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It isn't available on tt11 though :P


A wise man once said to me: those who wanna find, will find. :lol:

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To buy Butterfly, you have to go to your local Butterfly dealer.

However, I am not 100% clear on what you require. But if you want something with a bit of spring, but good control, I have been trying out Xiom Vega Intro, which is designed as an introduction to Tensors, and have to say it appears to be well named. IE, it does have control, and is comfortable to use: far more so than Vega Europe.

(Of course, I've not used the older Vega Europe, only Europe DF, which I find a good looping and spinning rubber, very soft feel, but doesn't have quite the power to finish rallies that I would like on the FH, but works nicely on BH for me.)

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It isn't available on tt11 though :P


A wise man once said to me: those who wanna find, will find. :lol:

:oops: I guess I could just order from some other place, but this is going to be my first custom bat (I've borrowed enough paddles to know what I want), and I'm afraid of messing up if I try to assemble the paddle itself.... plus, tt11 has the stuff I want that other places don't. Great deals too :P

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To buy Butterfly, you have to go to your local Butterfly dealer.

However, I am not 100% clear on what you require. But if you want something with a bit of spring, but good control, I have been trying out Xiom Vega Intro, which is designed as an introduction to Tensors, and have to say it appears to be well named. IE, it does have control, and is comfortable to use: far more so than Vega Europe.

(Of course, I've only used Vega Europe in the DF version, which I find a good looping and spinning rubber, but doesn't have quite the power to finish rallies that I would like on the FH, but works nicely on BH for me.)

As long as it's softer than Tenergy 64, sure :lol: Hurricane 3 is way too hard for my liking

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Not sure if this has been posted before, but I thought I'd post again in case anyone had not seen this:
Attachment:
sponge-hardness-conversion-chart.jpg


Left scale tends to be used by the Euro/Japanese manufacturers, the right scale by Chinese ones like DHS.


I spent a good half hour LOOKING for this... :lol: Finally used a newer version of this same graphic I scanned out of a Yinhe catalog (where this comes from).

I posted this same comment under the DHS interview thread. Actually it's got nothing to do with European/Japanese hardness scales. The left column in "Tianjin Degrees" and the right column is the corresponding "Shanghai Degrees". I found this out by using Google Translate on my phone.. :lol: Apparently DHS uses Shore A, while the Tianjin cabal uses a "ball tester" (most likely Shore O, like Haggis does, though I don't understand why he's getting 50+ degrees for something that 729 says is 42... probably because the rubber's too thin to measure, so the ball probe is "bottoming out").

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iskandar taib wrote:
haggisv wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted before, but I thought I'd post again in case anyone had not seen this:
Attachment:
sponge-hardness-conversion-chart.jpg


Left scale tends to be used by the Euro/Japanese manufacturers, the right scale by Chinese ones like DHS.


I spent a good half hour LOOKING for this... :lol: Finally used a newer version of this same graphic I scanned out of a Yinhe catalog (where this comes from).

I posted this same comment under the DHS interview thread. Actually it's got nothing to do with European/Japanese hardness scales. The left column in "Tianjin Degrees" and the right column is the corresponding "Shanghai Degrees". I found this out by using Google Translate on my phone.. :lol: Apparently DHS uses Shore A, while the Tianjin cabal uses a "ball tester" (most likely Shore O, like Haggis does, though I don't understand why he's getting 50+ degrees for something that 729 says is 42... probably because the rubber's too thin to measure, so the ball probe is "bottoming out").

viewtopic.php?f=56&p=372913#p372904

Iskandar


I've just been checking (by finger) hardnesses of 729 rubbers, Battle II (45) and Presto Max Spin (46). Compared to 729 BII Pro (39) and DHS H3Neo Prov.(39). The numbers are as stated by the manufacturer. And I can say with confidence that they are all in the same scale. BII and PMAX have sponges like a rock..


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iskandar taib wrote:
haggisv wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted before, but I thought I'd post again in case anyone had not seen this:
Attachment:
sponge-hardness-conversion-chart.jpg


Left scale tends to be used by the Euro/Japanese manufacturers, the right scale by Chinese ones like DHS.


I spent a good half hour LOOKING for this... :lol: Finally used a newer version of this same graphic I scanned out of a Yinhe catalog (where this comes from).

I posted this same comment under the DHS interview thread. Actually it's got nothing to do with European/Japanese hardness scales. The left column in "Tianjin Degrees" and the right column is the corresponding "Shanghai Degrees". I found this out by using Google Translate on my phone.. :lol: Apparently DHS uses Shore A, while the Tianjin cabal uses a "ball tester" (most likely Shore O, like Haggis does, though I don't understand why he's getting 50+ degrees for something that 729 says is 42... probably because the rubber's too thin to measure, so the ball probe is "bottoming out").

viewtopic.php?f=56&p=372913#p372904

Iskandar


I've just been checking (by finger) hardnesses of 729 rubbers, Battle II (45) and Presto Max Spin (46). Compared to 729 BII Pro (39) and DHS H3Neo Prov.(39). The numbers are as stated by the manufacturer. And I can say with confidence that they are all in the same scale. BII and PMAX have sponges like a rock..

729 is confusingly using both scales. 729's softest rubbers are around 40deg (Sky Wing). HOWEVER as of 2020 for the Battle series, they are using the same scale as DHS. Battle is now rated 38-40; I'm guessing because they are supposed to compete with H3.


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