OOAK Table Tennis Forum :: New: Secret Flow - any questions for Sauer & Tröger ?

1) Is the topsheet grippy or tacky?
2) Will this rubber be a type of rubber we are already familiar with or will this be a new type of rubber (i.e. a type of rubber filling a niche part of the TT world)? If a new type, then why? And if a new type, designed for which kind of players?

The topsheet is very tacky.

The rubber is a new type. If you want to compare it: It is a mix of the tacky top sheets and the Japanese High-Tuning rubbers.

We develope new products to help table tennis players to improve their style of playing. We don´t believe that it helps to make a copy of other rubbers.

If you are a classical defender it makes sense to choose 1,5 or 1,8 mm. If you are more offensive and you try to make the points through topspins then you should choose 2,1mm.
It makes also sense to choose the rubber as a classical allround player.

Here is the new description for this rubber:

In developing the "SECRET FLOW" rubber a new type of topsheet has been combined with a unique sponge to allow your table tennis to really begin to flow. In the top sheet you will discover a table tennis rubber which offers enhanced speed, spin, and game control.

The specially developed synthetic rubber surface brings true high performance to the top sheet and this combined with the high quality innovative medium hard "SC- sponge" creates a wonderful but deadly combination. High performance and maximum grip are achieved in every shot.

When you impart backspin the amount of deceptive topspin developed is highly dangerous to your opponent. Chopping near the table, and defensive shots away from the table can be played effortlessly because of the high control.

The special "SC sponge" makes it possible for classical defenders and control players to use the 1.5mm and 1.8mm versions very effectively.

The 2.1mm version is perfect for the modern defender who uses every opportunity to attack. Very hard offensive shots with a high tempo can be played without losing control, unlike if a hard sponge was used. Find real enjoyment in your winning game with sizzling spin matched with power and pinpoint accuracy.

As far as I understand, this will be the only version available, as it's replacing the earlier version. The only difference is the sponge.

Dear Users,

we will use a new sponge for the Secret Flow topsheet. Sebastian and me decided to give it a new name: Secret Flow Chop. You will find all information here:

http://www.sauerundtroeger.de/index.php/en/

Hi Lorre,

Did your sheet arrive, any news yet?

Also found these on youtube: -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWZsLUeXEKw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrP-EfN-qUo

Author:	haggisv [ 03 Apr 2014, 20:35 ]
Post subject:	New: Secret Flow - any questions for Sauer & Tröger ?
Sauer & Tröger have produced a new rubber called Secret Flow, here are the details: In developing the “Secret Flow” table tennis rubber a new type of top sheet has been combined with a unique sponge to allow your table tennis to really being to flow. In the top sheet you will find created, a table tennis rubber which combines enhanced speed, spin and game control. The specially developed synthetic rubber surface brings true high performance to the top-sheet. The top-sheet allows maximum spin and is also very dangerous for the opponent, by allowing your push, and other defensive shots to be able to produce balls with a sleek trajectory while maintaining greater speed and spin control.The sponge we use, in "Secret flow” has a medium-hard to soft high tuning model. Thus, higher-speed attacking shots can be achieved without loss of control as often happens with a harder sponge. Find real joy in your winning game with sizzling spin matched with power and pinpoint accuracy. Characteristics: Speed: 84 Control: 97 Spin: 100+ Hardness: soft+ Characteristics: DEF/AR Sponge: 1.5mm, 1.8mm, 2.1mm They have kindly agreed to answer any questions you have here!

Author:	Lorre [ 03 Apr 2014, 21:43 ]
Post subject:	Re: New: Secret Flow - any questions for Sauer & Tröger ?
1) Is the topsheet grippy or tacky? 2) Will this rubber be a type of rubber we are already familiar with or will this be a new type of rubber (i.e. a type of rubber filling a niche part of the TT world)? If a new type, then why? And if a new type, designed for which kind of players?

Author:	Pascal Tröger [ 07 Apr 2014, 17:59 ]
Post subject:	Re: New: Secret Flow - any questions for Sauer & Tröger ?
Lorre wrote: 1) Is the topsheet grippy or tacky? 2) Will this rubber be a type of rubber we are already familiar with or will this be a new type of rubber (i.e. a type of rubber filling a niche part of the TT world)? If a new type, then why? And if a new type, designed for which kind of players? The topsheet is very tacky. The rubber is a new type. If you want to compare it: It is a mix of the tacky top sheets and the Japanese High-Tuning rubbers. We develope new products to help table tennis players to improve their style of playing. We don´t believe that it helps to make a copy of other rubbers. If you are a classical defender it makes sense to choose 1,5 or 1,8 mm. If you are more offensive and you try to make the points through topspins then you should choose 2,1mm. It makes also sense to choose the rubber as a classical allround player.

Author:	Spartan62 [ 07 Apr 2014, 18:20 ]
Post subject:	Re: New: Secret Flow - any questions for Sauer & Tröger ?
I understand why you aren't agreeable with copying something else. But... 1) giving spin=x, speed=y, control=z doesn't tell us much because all manufaturers use thier own scale. Can you compare parameters to some well known rubbers? 2) Has rubber been tested with new poly ball? Any results?

Author:	Lorre [ 07 Apr 2014, 22:17 ]
Post subject:	Re: New: Secret Flow - any questions for Sauer & Tröger ?
Pascal Tröger wrote: The topsheet is very tacky. The rubber is a new type. If you want to compare it: It is a mix of the tacky top sheets and the Japanese High-Tuning rubbers. We develope new products to help table tennis players to improve their style of playing. We don´t believe that it helps to make a copy of other rubbers. If you are a classical defender it makes sense to choose 1,5 or 1,8 mm. If you are more offensive and you try to make the points through topspins then you should choose 2,1mm. It makes also sense to choose the rubber as a classical allround player. Thx for the answer. I like the sound of that. I'm looking for such a rubber myself these days. Will try it when Contra has it back in stock.

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Author:	Lorre [ 25 Jul 2014, 21:54 ]
Post subject:	Re: New: Secret Flow - any questions for Sauer & Tröger ?
I've seen there will be a chop version of the Flow in short time. What's the difference between the chop and regular version? Also, is the regular version still available? I didn't see it on your website.

Author:	haggisv [ 27 Jul 2014, 11:52 ]
Post subject:	Re: New: Secret Flow - any questions for Sauer & Tröger ?
Here is the new description for this rubber: In developing the "SECRET FLOW" rubber a new type of topsheet has been combined with a unique sponge to allow your table tennis to really begin to flow. In the top sheet you will discover a table tennis rubber which offers enhanced speed, spin, and game control. The specially developed synthetic rubber surface brings true high performance to the top sheet and this combined with the high quality innovative medium hard "SC- sponge" creates a wonderful but deadly combination. High performance and maximum grip are achieved in every shot. When you impart backspin the amount of deceptive topspin developed is highly dangerous to your opponent. Chopping near the table, and defensive shots away from the table can be played effortlessly because of the high control. The special "SC sponge" makes it possible for classical defenders and control players to use the 1.5mm and 1.8mm versions very effectively. The 2.1mm version is perfect for the modern defender who uses every opportunity to attack. Very hard offensive shots with a high tempo can be played without losing control, unlike if a hard sponge was used. Find real enjoyment in your winning game with sizzling spin matched with power and pinpoint accuracy. As far as I understand, this will be the only version available, as it's replacing the earlier version. The only difference is the sponge.

Author:	iskandar taib [ 27 Jul 2014, 15:02 ]
Post subject:	Re: New: Secret Flow - any questions for Sauer & Tröger ?
So is this made in Germany? Doesn't look like a ESN Tensor (no logos), so if it is made in Germany then there must be some non-ESN German rubbers. I've heard it said elsewhere that ESN was the ONLY German rubber factory. Iskandar

Author:	haggisv [ 27 Jul 2014, 17:30 ]
Post subject:	Re: New: Secret Flow - any questions for Sauer & Tröger ?
I don't believe it's manufactured in Germany... nowhere did it claim this either. Obviously the design is German.

Author:	Lorre [ 30 Jul 2014, 07:08 ]
Post subject:	Re: New: Secret Flow - any questions for Sauer & Tröger ?
haggisv wrote: Here is the new description for this rubber: In developing the "SECRET FLOW" rubber a new type of topsheet has been combined with a unique sponge to allow your table tennis to really begin to flow. In the top sheet you will discover a table tennis rubber which offers enhanced speed, spin, and game control. The specially developed synthetic rubber surface brings true high performance to the top sheet and this combined with the high quality innovative medium hard "SC- sponge" creates a wonderful but deadly combination. High performance and maximum grip are achieved in every shot. When you impart backspin the amount of deceptive topspin developed is highly dangerous to your opponent. Chopping near the table, and defensive shots away from the table can be played effortlessly because of the high control. The special "SC sponge" makes it possible for classical defenders and control players to use the 1.5mm and 1.8mm versions very effectively. The 2.1mm version is perfect for the modern defender who uses every opportunity to attack. Very hard offensive shots with a high tempo can be played without losing control, unlike if a hard sponge was used. Find real enjoyment in your winning game with sizzling spin matched with power and pinpoint accuracy. As far as I understand, this will be the only version available, as it's replacing the earlier version. The only difference is the sponge. It's strange, though. The ordinary Flow wasn't available for long. Add to this the advice Pascal Tröger gave me here (1,5 & 1,8 for classical defense, 2,1 for modern defense) and the same ratings for the Flow & Flow Chop.. I think it's the same rubber, but only the name changed: from Flow to Flow Chop. Nevertheless, I ordered one through my local retailer. I'm quite curious about this rubber.

Author:	Pascal Tröger [ 31 Jul 2014, 19:31 ]
Post subject:	Re: New: Secret Flow - any questions for Sauer & Tröger ?
Dear Users, we will use a new sponge for the Secret Flow topsheet. Sebastian and me decided to give it a new name: Secret Flow Chop. You will find all information here: http://www.sauerundtroeger.de/index.php/en/

Author:	Lorre [ 31 Jul 2014, 20:16 ]
Post subject:	Re: New: Secret Flow - any questions for Sauer & Tröger ?
Pascal Tröger wrote: Dear Users, we will use a new sponge for the Secret Flow topsheet. Sebastian and me decided to give it a new name: Secret Flow Chop. You will find all information here: http://www.sauerundtroeger.de/index.php/en/ May I ask why? Because the other sponge wasn't too long on the market... What's the difference between the old and new sponge?

Author:	v02man [ 02 Aug 2014, 07:46 ]
Post subject:	Re: New: Secret Flow - any questions for Sauer & Tröger ?
Can you explain in more detail the following phrase from the rubber description: - "When you impart backspin the amount of deceptive topspin developed is highly dangerous to your opponent." Thanks

Author:	v02man [ 10 Aug 2014, 07:08 ]
Post subject:	Re: New: Secret Flow - any questions for Sauer & Tröger ?
Hi Lorre, Did your sheet arrive, any news yet? Also found these on youtube: -

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Author:	Lorre [ 10 Aug 2014, 07:34 ]
Post subject:	Re: New: Secret Flow - any questions for Sauer & Tröger ?
v02man wrote: Hi Lorre, Did your sheet arrive, any news yet? Also found these on youtube: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWZsLUeXEKw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrP-EfN-qUo I ordered it in my local shop and I haven't had notice yet. Thanx for the links: I didn't find the second one.