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 Post subject: New Palio AK 47
PostPosted: 30 Aug 2015, 16:57 
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On Eacheng appears new Palio Rubbers - AK 47. (Red, Blue, Yellow). Seems to be promissing. Does have somebody any informations about them?

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 Post subject: Re: New Palio AK 47
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AK47's been around for a while. I'll have to go look - is this a new variation?

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 Post subject: Re: New Palio AK 47
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AK47's been around for a while. I'll have to go look - is this a new variation?

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At first glance they look like the same topsheet and new sponges. I've ordered a sheet of Blue.


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 Post subject: Re: New Palio AK 47
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Ah...

"Passion Red" :lol: (hard sponge)
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"Do you worry about insufficient speed or loop not long enough in the era 40+ ball? You don't have to worry any more, as Palio has decoded the matte topsheet. The new “AK47 RED” has reloaded with strong grip and explosive speed power. Long-lasting material combined with the sense of elasto-crisp bring matte rubber to a new level.
Passion Red, with 45-47 degree sponge is a breakthrough in evenly distributed foaming teachnique. It provides strong elasticity and support with unfathomable inner strength. It exerts your potential power completely as getting more power with force and spin with precise control. It enables combat mode in triumph as soon as you get started."

Fitted Play: Fast Attack / Loop
Sponge color: Red
Sponge hardness: 45-47°



"Sharp Yellow" (medium sponge)
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"Do you worry about insufficient speed or loop not long enough in the era 40+ ball? You don't have to worry any more, as Palio has decoded the matte topsheet. The new AK47 YELLOW has reloaded with strong grip and explosive speed power. Long-lasting material combined with the sense of elasto-crisp bring matte rubber to a new level.
Sharp Yellow, with 42-44 degree sponge is a breakthrough in evenly distributed foaming technique. It provides strong elasticity and support with unfathomable inner strength. Hidden attack in equilibria with both drive stroke and attack. Not only it is difficult for rival to guard against if using active force but also gain the initiative in defense. It enables combat mode in triumph as soon as you get started."

Fitted Play: Fast Attack / Loop
Sponge color: yellow
Sponge hardness: 42-44°



"Deadly Blue" (soft sponge)
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"Palio AK47 BLUE (Matt) Pips-in Table Tennis (PingPong) Rubber With Sponge (H38-40)

"Do you worry about insufficient speed or loop not long enough in the era 40+ ball? You don't have to worry any more, as Palio has decoded the matte topsheet. The new “AK47 BLUE” has reloaded with strong grip and explosive speed power. Long-lasting material combined with the sense of elasto-crisp bring matte rubber to a new level.
Deadly Blue, with 38-40 degree sponge is a breakthrough in evenly distributed foaming teachnique. It provides strong elasticity and support with unfathomable inner strength. It soft and elastic European style of lithe with force allows you to play precisely at will with distinctive sound. It enables combat mode in triumph as soon as you get started."

Fitted Play: Fast Attack / Loop
Sponge color: Blue
Sponge hardness: 38-40°



Also new:

HK1997 Gold (rock-hard sponge)
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"Do you worry about insufficient speed or loop not long enough in the era 40+ ball? You don't have to worry any more, as Palio has broken through the constraint of traditional sticky hard rubber. The new HK1997 GOLD has reloaded with better viscosity and bring new vitality to classic.
The new HK1997 GOLD, with fully activated "Golden Forcehand" 48-50 degree sponge is ready-to-use, completely independent of speed glue or booster. It's the perfect solution to inelasticity of hard sponge and sticky topsheet. It keeps the viscous friction as well as speed, power and penetration to achieve high speed. You can sense the spurt out of power and support. It defines a brand new forehand for the era of 40+ ball."

Fitted Play: Fast Attack / Loop
Sponge hardness: 48-50°



And not forgetting:

Ye Olde Classic

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Hardness: 38-40°, 40-42°
Sponge thickness: 2.2mm


Ye Olde Classic Biotech

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Good for forehand to play attack
Fitted Play: Short Court, Attack / Loop
Sponge thickness: 2.2mm / 2.0mm

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 Post subject: Re: New Palio AK 47
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Few years ago I had AK47 (made in Japan) in black package. Very similar to T64.
AK47 in Yellow package (picture above) was poor. Slow, sticky, very hard. After two sessions great bubble in the middle....
When hardness (Red) is the same scale like Blitz, 45-47° will be middle hard rubber.
We will see. One pair si on the way....

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 Post subject: Re: New Palio AK 47
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I think those are Chinese degrees. 45-47 degrees is rock-hard.

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 Post subject: Re: New Palio AK 47
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https://www.facebook.com/palio.gp

Interesting - lots of new packaging for old favorites, and a new Tensor (Aeolus).

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Also new 3 ply Hinoki blades.

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 Post subject: Re: New Palio AK 47
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Aeolus is a great rubber. Like a modified Vega Japan with harder topsheet, faster.


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 Post subject: Re: New Palio AK 47
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My sheet of AK47 Blue (38-40 degree) arrived this week. I'll be giving it a try next week.

The visuals are really good. The topsheet looks like the same old AK47 mold was used but the end result is different. Totally non-tacky but big grip during a finger test. It has a shiny finish, and is incredibly thin. There was no protective sheet on there, just a random bit of paper (feels like grease proof paper for some reason). Looks good quality.

The sponge looks excellent - modern porous type, no blemishes anywhere, quite soft. Baby blue in colour, no tuning layer, slight smell of "eu de cheapy chinese rubber". At first glance the whole rubber could easily be mistaken for a sheet of Airoc - similar sponge colour, same shiny topsheet effect. It won't be anywhere near as fast (I guess) but the sponge looks like it would be very receptive to oily boosters, if you're into such things (if the topsheet can take the strain).

Oh, and quite light (by modern standards) at 54.38g uncut (168x168 sheet).


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 Post subject: Re: New Palio AK 47
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That is light. It'd be interesting to compare with KTL Green Dragon in terms of topsheet thickness. If it's the same topsheet as the older AK47, the old topsheet should be just as thin, but then again... who knows?? :lol: It'd be interesting to compare the pips side of the topsheet to see if there were any changes made (if there were it'd technically be a bad thing vis-à-vis ITTF's certification). Interesting that it's non-tacky and without a topsheet film protector - this would be very un-Palio-like, which would make this rubber something akin to Big Dipper (which is likewise non-tacky, without a protector film, AND not vacuum-packed, totally unlike other Yinhe sheets). This one isn't vacuum packed either, I take it? Seems like it might be a trend - a cynic would say it's "Tensor-mimicry".

It is my belief that the topsheet "protector" isn't really there to protect the rubber - it's what makes a tacky topsheet tacky. It's got adhesive on it, which transfers over to the topsheet and gives it tackiness. The adhesive wears off over time, which is why tacky rubbers become less tacky. It's also why companies can get away with making tacky and non-tacky versions of the same topsheet (e.g. Sanwei A+) - it's the application of this "protector sheet" that makes it tacky. And there's more than one "protector sheet" in use - some impart very high stickiness, some a lot less of it (e.g. "Yasaka" - actually Palio - ZAP).

Interesting that Aeolus isn't available on Eacheng - maybe it's a Euro-only thing, even though Thor's, Macro Pro and Macro Era are all available via Eacheng.

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 Post subject: Re: New Palio AK 47
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AndySmith wrote:
My sheet of AK47 Blue (38-40 degree) arrived this week. I'll be giving it a try next week.

The visuals are really good. The topsheet looks like the same old AK47 mold was used but the end result is different. Totally non-tacky but big grip during a finger test. It has a shiny finish, and is incredibly thin. There was no protective sheet on there, just a random bit of paper (feels like grease proof paper for some reason). Looks good quality.

The sponge looks excellent - modern porous type, no blemishes anywhere, quite soft. Baby blue in colour, no tuning layer, slight smell of "eu de cheapy chinese rubber". At first glance the whole rubber could easily be mistaken for a sheet of Airoc - similar sponge colour, same shiny topsheet effect. It won't be anywhere near as fast (I guess) but the sponge looks like it would be very receptive to oily boosters, if you're into such things (if the topsheet can take the strain).

Oh, and quite light (by modern standards) at 54.38g uncut (168x168 sheet).

Waiting for your report on how it pays :)

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 Post subject: Re: New Palio AK 47
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AndySmith wrote:
Aeolus is a great rubber. Like a modified Vega Japan with harder topsheet, faster.


Interesting.



Looks like Aeolus has a Rasant-ish big pore sponge, which is orange.

Also interesting:

http://ttnpp.com/store/99-german-style

ttnpp's apparently able to get stuff that isn't on the general Chinese market. Cheapest Tensors available I think (typical Tensor from tabletennis11 is almost EUR40). Though you have to add shipping - typically $5.50 for the first rubber and another $1.50 for each subsequent sheet.

I wonder if there's a "Palio Tensor" roundup somewhere online. I suspect there's little to choose between them, just as there's little to choose between a lot of rubber sheets.

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 Post subject: Re: New Palio AK 47
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Are these sheet still made in China?

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The AK47 sheets? Given the price, I think they are.

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It doesn't say anywhere on the packet where it was made, but yeah - the price is keen, so you'd have to say China.

Some recent Chinese rubbers have been super high quality. They've definitely raised their game.


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