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merlin el mago
PostPosted: 18 Jan 2020, 23:43 
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Blade: Stiga All Round WRB
FH: DHS Hurricane 3 NT 39º
BH: Giant Dragon Talon NT OX
iskandar taib wrote:
merlin el mago wrote:
\My actual setup:

Stiga All Round Classic WRB
FH DHS Hurricane 3 National Team 39º OS
BH Giant Dragon - Talon National Team OX


All National Team.. :lol: Any particular reason for this?? I'd like to know WHICH National Team actually uses Giant Dragon - none of the notable Chinese players do, at least, not that I've heard. I suspect it's the Thais.

Have lower trajectory than regular Talon and the control is better too, more softer than regular Talon. The NT color is red & the regular one is orange.

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FH looping (more side spin than top spin) and eventually some block. I make the side/top spin from ground and I use all my body & arm not a lot of wrist like I desired: I guess due to the fact the my strike is hard.

BH block-pusher close to the table & eventually some chop to middle distance when can't stay close to the table.

I feel can't get all the power needs the H3 national team 39º using mine all round blade so I'm looking for a new rubber. There are sweveral posibilities:

1/ Continue with other chinese rubber like Kokataku 007 Pro Selected 39º or 40º to suit my FH top & side spin oriented

2/ Change to Xiom Omega VII Asia or Hyper

3/ Use a hard topsheet with no spring sponge to avoid the catapult feel with small thickness to make an aggresive game smashing & flat hitting all high balls also I guess will be suitable to improve blocks.



H3 is known to be naturally slow until you can hit Chinese-style loops (which require a lot of power). I tried it and ditched it because it was just too slow. From what I understand the entire Chinese National Team boosts their H3, otherwise it's unusable at that level of play. So maybe that's why it seems slow. The National comes with harder sponge, which might make it even worse. I don't know if the Kokutaku will work, just be aware that Kokutaku's 39 or 40 degrees might not be on the same scale as DHS's and might actually be softer. However, no matter what Chinese rubber you choose, it's probably going to be faster overall than H3. (Unless you get 999, or Ckylin.. ah heck, just avoid Ckylin… :lol: )

I love chinese tackiness & how gets faster with the spin. Of course I am boosting mine H3NTOS 39º. I feel I need a more powerful blade but I'm afraid I will loss all my control with mine GD Talon NT red OX LP


I suppose switching to a Tensor (any Tensoroid, especially something like MX-P, or even a softer one like Rakza 7) would also result in a "faster" bat. If you have the money, why not Tenergy 05? It's probably cheaper than H3 National.. :lol: Or do you absolutely need a tacky rubber?? If you really need a tacky rubber, there are some of the faster Chinese ones like Big Dipper, or Target (there's even a "Target National" :lol: ), or Bloom Power. Maybe Mercury II even.

I don't like too bouncy rubbers because I feel like no control, I like mid-hard or hard rubbers for my strong FH. I also use against not skilled people Nittaku Fastarc G-1 in mine FH. What about Kokutaku 007 Pro Selected 40º for FH?

As far as seven ply blades go - yeah, they're heavier than five ply blades as a rule, but if you're using OX long pips you've already shed a lot of weight compared to 2X Inverted and the resulting racket should actually be quite light even by my standards. In the past, I'd have recommended getting a Huiarite (I've forgotten how to spell that.. :lol: ) Clipper, them's being cheap and good. But they seem to have disappeared. But another clipperoid I've become aware of as late is the Sanwei Fextra - about USD20-23 including shipping, plus you can get it with a ST handle if you want one.

I will not take 7 ply blades route

Iskandar


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I don't know.. I've never tried it.. :lol: Can't cost very much to try it, right? You seem to be going for all the "pro" rubbers. Not necessarily a bad thing, but that means it's unlikely anyone here's ever used it. Where DO you get 007 Pro 40 degrees? There's "ordinary" 007 on AliExpress for less than $10. Heck, there's "generic" no-label packs of two sheets of 007 for under $10.

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Actually 40º no stock till end February.

Look for the same as attached picture.

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I just checked out Kokutaku's "flagship" Tmall store. Apparently the 007 comes in: orange, red, cream, light green, teal, yellow, medium green, dark green, and blue/purple sponges in a Japanese labelled package. Is the Pro version one of these or a "Facebook" edition? :rofl:
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Rainbow version:
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Loop King Version:
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Honeycomb Version:
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40+ Version:
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Exploding Charge King Version, Exploding Punch Version, Loop King and Fast Attack Version together:
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Taiwan Version, which also has large pore blue sponge:
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Taiwan Version, European Edition:
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Taiwan Version, Pink European Edition:
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Actually 40º no stock till end February.

Look for the same as attached picture.

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You know what this reminds me of? Or rather, that sponge reminds me of? 729 Super FX with the large pore sponge. Available from Eacheng.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32388811864.html

That's a little cheaper than I remember - it was $10 3-4 years ago, including shipping. I'll betcha it's the same sponge - they use blue on the black sheets and an orangey-red on the red sheets. Apparently available in several sponge thicknesses now, too.

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Mind you - "40 degrees" (on the 007) might be Tianjin degrees, 40 Tianjin degrees would be a lot softer than 39 Shanghai degrees. 729, Yinhe, Palio, etc. use Tianjin degrees, DHS uses Shanghai degrees.

So I suppose 007 is sold in the same way as 868... lots and lots of weird versions (including cheap 2-in-1 packs). I wonder what the difference is between 868 and 007. Most of the 007 versions aren't on AliExpress, however. The "Honeycomb Version" does seem to similar to the "Pro 40 degree" white envelope version.

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I can see this thread is pretty old, but I'd like to say that Kokutaku 007 Pro.Selected rubbers are really good! I haven't played with any of the 'standard' 007 versions, but I highly doubt they are even close to 007 P.S.

Especially the 38 deg version of Kokutaku 007 P.S. oozes with control, everything can be done with it. It is suitable even for beginners while also high-level players can make good use of it. It is a sort of Euro/Jap/Chinese hybrid with a bit tacky topsheet which is bouncy but extremely linear and quite spinny - not on Tenergy level but more than enough, plus the ability to easily vary spin is priceless.

39 and 40 deg version perhaps lean a bit more towards Chinese style, the spin and power away from table increases and surpasses Sanwei Target National. Countering away from the table is pure joy with these. Again, a lot of control for such rubber hardness.
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