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PostPosted: 15 Mar 2021, 17:39 
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Well, I can change the Avatar picture but I cannot by myself change the text above the Avatar picture.
And I still use pips almost every week :)

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PostPosted: 31 Mar 2021, 21:23 
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In my quest for better health, lesser pain in my lower back, I am now trying to get more physical excercise out of my training. I am not fully ready for hard drills (multi ball etc). So, for fun and to get my legs and heart to work more, I am now back to some kind of modern defensive game. At least for a little while. My legs are getting stronger and I feel that my heartbeat is up higher during sessions than when playing my normal close-to-the-table-blocking-style.

I stopped playing modern defensive 6 years ago, mostly because I felt I would be much better of with a disruptive game close to the table so I could finish the point faster. I did not have enough patience to wait for an opportunity to execute a FH loop, so often I did it too early without a good opportunity, so I missed. With anti I got to those opportunities faster and also, I had less possible strokes to choose from on BH side. That speede dup my decision making. With SP or MP on BH I could choose from blocking, countering, moveing away for defending. With anti there is just plocking agaisnt top spin. And pushing or lifting agaisnt back spin. That makes everything much easier. And more boring.

So, the last weeks I have been using long pimple on BH, on a stiga Allround blade. Mostly inspired by Filus. Then I borrowed a defensive blade, a Tibhar balsa 25 def. It is a little stiffer and more controlled on low impact but also faster when hitting. I only tried it very briefly with my 1,2 mm Agenda and that was very good. But I felt more eager to try the Hou Ying Chao-path :). So I put a 1,5 mm Spectol on it. That felt very good. This is a true allround setup. I can easily defend with BH, keeping chops rather low and vary the spin (but I need to be rather far away from the table). And I can block and hit with BH. I just need to learn to attack with a straight hit, and not as I would with inverted. I can do that stroke rather good, but when I get into that situation in a match I tend to to the stroke more catious and with too much top spin, like I had an inverted rubber. But I have only used this setup for one session, almost only playing sets :).

Soo... maybe this is a new era? Or maybe I get frustrated again and go back to my anti soon. I have a realy good setup with my home made balsa blade and a 0.8 mm Barna SuperGlanti on BH, very good. With that I will win more matches. But maybe with Spectol I will have better health and have more fun? What to choose? Maybe I do not have to chhose, since it seems there will be no league games or competitions until September. In that case I can practice and have fun with my Spectol-bat and see how it feels during tha summer. Then, a month or so before league games starts I can go back to anti-setup again.

Time will tell...


Edit: just noticed, 6 years ago, same BH rubber (actually the exact same piece), same FH rubber (maybe the exact same) but another blade today (then VKM, now Tibhar balsa 25 def). Kind of scary :o ...
https://youtu.be/Vwb2ufeVgSE

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PostPosted: 02 Apr 2021, 07:17 
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Well, today it was really hard to be a defemnder with short pips. My footwork was not where it needs to be, was constantly with the weight on the wrong foot.

Here is a good example of different strategies for defending with SP:
https://youtu.be/MjDXmqTeIWc

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PostPosted: 07 Apr 2021, 22:02 
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Even though I am not making much progress with the modern defensive style with short pimples, it feels nice to se my legs and lower back that way again, in slightly slower but larger and more powerful movements - not swift and short close to the table.

Anyway, this is how it looks for now, at the end of the session, when I am about as good as I cen be now with this setup (only playing sets for now, no real drills yet):



And just to feel a little bit more like my hero Hou Yingchao, I ordered a new blade, DHS Classic 08x (the blade of SP defender Wang Chen Ce viewtopic.php?f=35&t=37357 ). And I also ordered a fresh sheet of Spectol (mine is 6 years old), this time in 1,8 mm 8) .

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PostPosted: 09 Apr 2021, 05:12 
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Well, I got a very fast delivery by DHL from tabletennis11, so I actually got to try my new DHS Classic 08X allready tonight.


https://youtu.be/sYUl6Vnr4HQ

The blade feels very nice, controlled and well balanced. It is not very fast but if you put some force in it your loops will be fast enough. Blocking and fishing feels very safe. Choping is very nice. But it has been a long time since I last played the style, so I really don't have much to compare with. It is a little slower and softer than Joo but faster and more rigid or solid than Stiga Allround. A really nice all (or all+) blade.

The thicker Spectol was really good for chopping when in right position. More easy to vary spin and still keep the ball low. But that is in practice. In matches it is more difficult since you don't have time enough to prepare that stroke. Also, it is more grippy, but that can also have to do with it being all fresh and new. Blocking and attacking is much easier with this thick version and it is not much faster than 1.5 so I would really encourage anyone who chops with Spectol to try the 1.8 mm version.

Well, I really need to do some drills so I get to learn this setup. More later...ImageImage

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PostPosted: 09 Apr 2021, 09:52 
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I feel the same way you are describing. Generally able to attack more playing a block/loop style at the table. Against some opponents this is just the best option. If they refuse to attack, why back up and spend all day bopping the ball back!? Against them I stay closer and try to put the ball toward my FH more often. It's rare to battle someone (for me anyway) who is an expert at defending/dinking the ball back, but also possesses a deadly attack. More often, they only dink because there is no attack decent from them! Think like pushblocker. Maybe they have an offensive weapon, but it only comes out on a very small % of openings which need to be perfect setups for them. Meaning my overall game is better than theirs, and I can afford to play safer and wait for better opportunities. Now, if they have an attack... then I will go more toward the defensive style.

To me, the chop style is more enjoyable and so I always return to this type of game. It is easier on the joints in my case, but tougher on the lungs/legs against good players. Against players who won't attack, it takes surprisingly little energy to go 5 sets versus them. Long and boring... though not especially tiring, physically.

I'll be curious to see how you find the short pips. I didn't notice much of a change in the number of misses my opponents had - going from LP to SP. And my consistency went down. I throw in a twiddle now and again to confuse them, yet still prefer the safety of long pips overall. Short pips can be fun trying to alter and change spins... however, in my situation this usually just ends with me making more needless mistakes. Whereas I know my FH has a real deadliness to it, so I can play safe on my side of the table, while putting fear into them having that cannon ready to explode :lol: I was missing this element for about 2 years during my initial chopping run, which lead to even more mind-numbing games...

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