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I am | | close to committing....

Tomorrow morning if Anatol can make it, I'll get 2hrs with him and will do some drills and film to compare Moristo and the 2 different 802-40s on FH. Then last hour I have Fred and will try to film matchplay with the short pips on both sides.

If it goes well.....I think that will be my answer. If it goes terribly terribly wrong then I will lean towards sticking with Mark V. If it goes somewhere in between then back to driving myself crazy thinking about it :rofl: maybe I'll flip a coin again :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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whats the morisito like on the forehand ?
Raystorm is good aswell.


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whats the morisito like on the forehand ?
Raystorm is good aswell.


I only tried it for FH drives and loop. Didn't try it for opening backspin or a proper SP hit. But it felt like there was quite a low throw/sink effect. I will try it properly tomorrow. But after watching videos on technique I could see my technique was wrong for it too.

From what I've read and understood Moristo SP isn't in the same league as Raystorm which is similar to 802-40 soft, and other higher spin Short pips. It's just below them

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3:10 is my coin flip :lol:
Saw this at work on my downtime and told the Mrs to get my TT stuff out on the table. Glued on the 802-40 soft 35deg 1.8 on my FH with Moristo SP 1.8 on BH. Let's gooo. Very excited to get on the table in 2hrs time now :Defense:

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Its great that you are enjoying and looking forward to your session.
i tried butterfly speedy po last night.very low throw and seemed great.


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Well I'm sold lol. Went a lot better than I expected. Was very interesting testing them side by side but I know I need to actually get the right feel and technique down to understand them more.

Any pointers let me know guys :up:

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So I don't know for sure sure if the youtube account is really him or not but long ago I asked a question on those league games with JP Montanus and he answered. Well turns out he also watched my new video and commented and gave a tip too :party:

I wasn't fully sure what it meant or what to look out for in my own video which was correct or not technique etc and even using slomo I couldn't tell too much difference with pretty much all the SP FH users. Until I saw an old video of Mattias Falck. I THINK I understand it but I need to try it to see if and how it works for me.

I'm playing tonight but not able to train, will be quick ish knock up then round robin with quite a few people. I've seen some tables booked with new people and non regulars as well as a couple of much higher lvl players. I'll try get games in with them.

But I want to film some specific basic drills on Wednesday focusing on technique to put it out there and here for advice so I can hopefully get a full understanding on how to use certain SPs on FH.

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PostPosted: 14 Nov 2021, 17:04 
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Last night was a great session and learning experience. I knocked up for a bit before swapping round and playing 4 people, 1 I've never played and only seen play once, 1 I played a few times years ago, 1 I've only played a few times and the other many times. The skill range was div2 from low to very high (1 of them used to be div1).

Now although only 1 of the matches went to 5, I felt that all the others were close even if it was 3-0. I did manage to win them all but it's very apparent that although I make some good points I also make A LOT of mistakes. Noted by the ex div1 player when he won a game he said it's because of my mistakes. After all matches were finished I then done matchplay with him without counting scores at the end for about 20mins.

I really do enjoy the SPs both sides though as I just feel like the game is simpler for me. I make errors but somehow I know exactly why straight away (most of the time). Being too soft and passive on most shots results in a net most of the time. I have to really learn the potential of the pips to trust them and my technique. But doing the matchplay at the end I was testing it and it is much more effective, I see the potential and I like it :devil:

I didn't get to play any of the 6 much higher rated players (some top 100) but I did meet a brand new face who joined this week and played SPs on BH! He plays max and used to speed glue back in the day before he stopped, he was ranked 80 in seniors just after being a junior. He has given me a Rakza PO in 2.0. Which has now once again made me go crazy with the dilemma of if I change it from the 802-40 or not. I will definitely glue it tonight either on main bat or spare but if it goes on the spare then I will probably only touch it once or twice as I hate gluing and I also want to stick with something for at least a few months

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Happy to report back a small improvement noticed already. Watching those players in slomo really helped. Still got a long way to go but I can see and feel the potential.

Rakza PO is a solid SPs btw for anyone interested, cannot compare to much but its softer and faster than 802-40 supersoft keeping spin lvls similar. Very similar speeds to Moristo just not as low throw an angle, keeps the angle of 802-40. Anyway this is me now for a while, also decided to stop gluing things as I hate it, so I'll use this until I replace them basically :lol:

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Nice loops there, enjoyed watching that, especially the ones Anatol blocked off the end of the table... :)

Were you exclusively testing SP looping here? Or were you playing points out with "real" play?

I only ask because I was watching He Zhiwen before I caught your video. He's one of my favourite players of all time, I've seen him live, and I tried to mimic his penhold SP style for a few months when I had some wrist problems :)

He will loop a bit, like you. Primarily against backspin, or long low shots. The second that ball pops up though, he plays a full drive - a kill shot, essentially. Is this something you plan to incorporate into your game? Otherwise, IMHO, the SPs only really offer you the same as a slow inverted rubber.

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Nice loops there, enjoyed watching that, especially the ones Anatol blocked off the end of the table... :)

Were you exclusively testing SP looping here? Or were you playing points out with "real" play?

I only ask because I was watching He Zhiwen before I caught your video. He's one of my favourite players of all time, I've seen him live, and I tried to mimic his penhold SP style for a few months when I had some wrist problems :)

He will loop a bit, like you. Primarily against backspin, or long low shots. The second that ball pops up though, he plays a full drive - a kill shot, essentially. Is this something you plan to incorporate into your game? Otherwise, IMHO, the SPs only really offer you the same as a slow inverted rubber.


The push to the FH half is planned, after the open we play out like a game.

I plan to get confident to do something similar. Different with penhold though. I would be having a mix of Mattias Falck and Zhan Jian FH but will likely emulate Jean Paul Montanus. My BH is quite punchy though in games and I win a lot of my points from BH punching.

It will probably be a while before I post again, going to try and get decent and consistent so my video will show what my game is really about instead of too many errors etc

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It's different with penhold, but not completely. Watch Falck - he annihilates anything that he can (pretty much any ball which doesn't have too much spin on)

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dunc wrote:
It's different with penhold, but not completely. Watch Falck - he annihilates anything that he can (pretty much any ball which doesn't have too much spin on)




Check this vid, good angle. Starts at 12:45. I might be a little off but in terms of his FH he isn't always going at max speed with his arm swings. But I would like to get to similar speeds in the end. I am countering top spins fairly similar on FH side with a speed lvl below him atm. It's just my consistency I want to get better before I start trying to go faster

Btw I'm quite jealous you got to watch him live, I bet that was eye opening. He is a monster!

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Ah, sorry, I'm not talking about increasing your arm speed. 100% understandable that you wouldn't be going flat-out with topspins just yet.

What I mean is the SP flat hit. A different stroke entirely, really. There's a point at 17:51 where Falck serves then hits a third ball flat hit. He doesn't do it a lot in this match because Apolonia is playing consistent long topspin to him, so he plays a lot of topspin counters etc. but in your video, in the "real play" segment, the ball often comes short and high. Those would be devoured by most SP players that I've seen; get on top of them and flat-hit-kill. This is how I played when I went to penhold SP, it's incredible how many balls you can actually hit like this (e.g. quite heavy back and topspin), as long as there's a bit of room above the net and you time the ball at the top of the bounce (or potentially even earlier).

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Ah ok. Yes I avoided it up until yesterday because my consistency was so off and I was playing matches. I was practising it yesterday though and I can see the potential :devil:

I was waiting till my consistency with the regular hits loops blocks were at a point I was happy with. On Sunday I'll get some training in for an hour or so. Planning to try it there. I did pull some off yesterday though it feels super nice, as nice as a solid BH punch winner :rock:

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