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PostPosted: 26 Sep 2021, 23:23 
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1. Be the aggressor and open up. Problem with this is I don't enjoy playing aggressive and also lose too many points from missing the loops.
2. Easy road. Stay at the table push and open also with the LPs, use angles etc finish the ez balls. Problem is I DO NOT enjoy playing at the table.
3. Play usual game and be happy being slightly more passive, push, open also with LPs, lots of twiddling, finish the ez balls. Problem with this is my patience :lol: and also getting my hand caught when twiddling :headbang:


I think your post on choosing strategy is pretty relevant when it comes to dealing with players that are a couple of levels better. Just like you I've found that I can sometimes get a lead or win the first set before they adjust. Particularly for younger players without much experience vs pimples or choppers. I imagine it goes something like this in their head:

- "I'll just go and play my regular game, should be easy enough".
- "Why am I missing easy shots? Pimples should be illegal".
- "Hmm, maybe I don't need to hit so hard? If I just serve fast no spin to backhand I'll get an easy return. If it's high enough finish the ball, otherwise just slow loop, push and move the guy around until I get a chance to finish the ball."

Going back to the strategies it's easy for a chopper/pimples player to get a good start with their normal game. But unless your style is to win through consistency and spin variation you need to switch it up before the opponent becomes too comfortable. Adding in a bit of aggressive play can get them out of their comfort zone. My mistake has often been to wait too long to switch it up, giving them a chance to figure out my game. Try adding some variation in from the start just to get that strategy warmed up and keeping them guessing.


Those strategies were actually for the people who aren't quite good enough to loop chops consistently or even at all tbh, which often leads to the ball never really going in zone 2 so I find myself at the table inside 1m a lot.

However you're quite right about your strategy vs the better players. I am actually much more comfortable playing better players coz I can relax more and play defense most of the time. I'm not sure how much spin variation I can do with my Dtecs OX though except for wrist and no wrist, but I am working on twiddling and getting one back with inverted now and then to switch things up.

But you kinda answered my question I had for you. I should definitely try to get my FH in for an opening loop even if it's not a winner it's just a change of pace and doesn't let them feel comfortable from the beginning

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PostPosted: 27 Sep 2021, 20:48 
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Ndragon wrote:
magnuseffect wrote:
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1. Be the aggressor and open up. Problem with this is I don't enjoy playing aggressive and also lose too many points from missing the loops.
2. Easy road. Stay at the table push and open also with the LPs, use angles etc finish the ez balls. Problem is I DO NOT enjoy playing at the table.
3. Play usual game and be happy being slightly more passive, push, open also with LPs, lots of twiddling, finish the ez balls. Problem with this is my patience :lol: and also getting my hand caught when twiddling :headbang:


I think your post on choosing strategy is pretty relevant when it comes to dealing with players that are a couple of levels better. Just like you I've found that I can sometimes get a lead or win the first set before they adjust. Particularly for younger players without much experience vs pimples or choppers. I imagine it goes something like this in their head:

- "I'll just go and play my regular game, should be easy enough".
- "Why am I missing easy shots? Pimples should be illegal".
- "Hmm, maybe I don't need to hit so hard? If I just serve fast no spin to backhand I'll get an easy return. If it's high enough finish the ball, otherwise just slow loop, push and move the guy around until I get a chance to finish the ball."

Going back to the strategies it's easy for a chopper/pimples player to get a good start with their normal game. But unless your style is to win through consistency and spin variation you need to switch it up before the opponent becomes too comfortable. Adding in a bit of aggressive play can get them out of their comfort zone. My mistake has often been to wait too long to switch it up, giving them a chance to figure out my game. Try adding some variation in from the start just to get that strategy warmed up and keeping them guessing.


Those strategies were actually for the people who aren't quite good enough to loop chops consistently or even at all tbh, which often leads to the ball never really going in zone 2 so I find myself at the table inside 1m a lot.

However you're quite right about your strategy vs the better players. I am actually much more comfortable playing better players coz I can relax more and play defense most of the time. I'm not sure how much spin variation I can do with my Dtecs OX though except for wrist and no wrist, but I am working on twiddling and getting one back with inverted now and then to switch things up.

But you kinda answered my question I had for you. I should definitely try to get my FH in for an opening loop even if it's not a winner it's just a change of pace and doesn't let them feel comfortable from the beginning


I see, being able to switch strategy is probably more important for you vs more passive players. But I think variation is important vs any player. How much to use FH loop for example would depend on what quality you can get on the loop and the opponent. A well placed slow spinny loop is a good variation vs most players.

As for spin variation twiddling can get you a lot of easy points and helps to not let the opponent get comfortable. I haven't really used low friction or ox pimps but I think they also have a lot of possibilities when it comes to varying length and pace. Something I find works well is short serve return with pimples. Opponent expects a long push and rushes in to take the short push then gives you a pop up or easy push that you can loop with FH.

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At your lvl of play when you slow FH loop to open up does it usually go well for you or do they counter it often?

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Ndragon wrote:
At your lvl of play when you slow FH loop to open up does it usually go well for you or do they counter it often?


It's something that I struggle with sometimes to find the right balance on how often to open up. It works well vs players that like to be aggressive/active to break up the rhythm. But then you have others that play more safely or are good blockers where you need to be careful. Against these players, it may be better to vary by counterlooping their attacks.

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At your lvl of play when you slow FH loop to open up does it usually go well for you or do they counter it often?


It's something that I struggle with sometimes to find the right balance on how often to open up. It works well vs players that like to be aggressive/active to break up the rhythm. But then you have others that play more safely or are good blockers where you need to be careful. Against these players, it may be better to vary by counterlooping their attacks.


Noted :up:

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Well.....it seems the Green Dtecs is being sold at Dandoy Sports who also have the Stiga Defensive Pro blade AND G1 for sale. I REALLY don't want to change blade as I feel that is the biggest difference with equipment and I'm just recently feeling quite comfortable with my Nittaku Shake Defense.....but I can't help but feel worried that it will be sold out super fast like TT11 is already sold out lol.

I kinda wanted to get NSD on sale so I can have 1 blade with Dtecs OX and the other 0.5, both in Green :P
Cannot deny I'm battling myself right now. I'm tempted to just get the NSD from Dandoy sports instead and pay a little extra

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I'd absolutely love a green rubber. If I'm honest though, I reckon it would make it easier for my opponents wrt to surprising them with a twiddled shot. It's easy to get confused between black/red when you've played TT all your life, but you'd probably take notice if you saw a green rubber.

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dunc wrote:
I'd absolutely love a green rubber. If I'm honest though, I reckon it would make it easier for my opponents wrt to surprising them with a twiddled shot. It's easy to get confused between black/red when you've played TT all your life, but you'd probably take notice if you saw a green rubber.


You're not wrong mate but I'm too much a sucker for these things haha
I think I'll pay the extra and get a NSD


Million dollar question though. Is there any point to try a Dtecs in 0.5? I'm struggling to find any video, review or comparison between people who have tried both who chop and play at mid distance. In English translation anyway lol

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I've used DTecS OX and DTecS in a ridiculously thick sponge (like 1.9mm?). Personally I found the latter almost totally pointless. I can't see what advantage you'd get from a 0.5mm sponge in DTecS really.

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I've used DTecS OX and DTecS in a ridiculously thick sponge (like 1.9mm?). Personally I found the latter almost totally pointless. I can't see what advantage you'd get from a 0.5mm sponge in DTecS really.


My initial feelings were the same, but Adam Proszko and an old club mate of mine use 0.5, although my club mate doesn't move from the table lol but Adam plays mid distance a lot.

I am always curious about it, but probably best for me if I don't satisfy that curiosity tbh (easier said than done lol)

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Can't you just ask to borrow his set up for a few matches?

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dunc wrote:
Can't you just ask to borrow his set up for a few matches?


I haven't seen him since I came back to TT, plus he uses it on an Primorac OFF-
I remember trying it for 5mins years back when I was playing for a few months but it wasn't nearly enough to judge it, especially since I rely more on knowing what my partner feels with regards to spin reversal etc

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Ok so this mornings session was going really well until I hurt my knee a bit, it was when I was coming back into the table to BH loop, cracker of a loop and won the point but knee not happy with it lol.

My meniscus was paining me on my way home and slightly effecting my walk.

So with this I'm going to try to chill with the in and out and maybe just stuck to inverted pushes instead. If I ever feel something like this happen again then it pains me to say I will have to change up my style of play again :(

I might start a new thread in the future about it, but any recommendations on styles of play that put minimal to 0 pressure on the knees etc plz let me know. I honestly find chopping quite stress free, but the distance from the table is what makes me have to work hard side to side in and out etc

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There aren't too many options really. Close to the table LP/Flanti blocker would be your only option that I can think of.

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dunc wrote:
There aren't too many options really. Close to the table LP/Flanti blocker would be your only option that I can think of.


I don't mind a little pressure, but you know like minimal lol

When you say this are you talking about those ones that only use their BH? Or can we say Abbasi Ammireza falls into this style?

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