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Calderano FH flick.

https://youtu.be/CgrS5_hTkps?t=78

That is the inspiration for my forehand flick. Well, the real inspiration to practice today was a new forehand flick video on the internet - lots of good internet coaching these days. So I hit the club and I Was practicing and I received advice from two people that that flick was too big. Please review the video below if you have time and comment. It is a bit long - but when I see the Calderano flick, I think I will just use my current shot even if it is a bit large and continue to work on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3haEpvl ... e=youtu.be.

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Hi, I started working with Brett towards the end of last month. Here is an introduction of myself: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=431&start=2355

Until now I have been communicating with Brett by email, but I plan to post some stuff in this thread as well. Last week, I recorded my BH block, which has too much topspin (https://youtu.be/RMMtfa20ExQ). Brett suggested looking at LTT32 (again) and LTT69. Since I didn't have a chance to do multiball this week I didn't do the exercises in LTT69. Instead, I tried to copy the stroke that he demonstrates in LTT32 yesterday. (https://youtu.be/JwTEpoVHW-8)

My initial reaction was: "Too much topspin. Don't send it to Brett." However, after comparing it to the video from last week, there are some improvements imo. E.g., I keep the racquet higher than before and some blocks might be even fairly flat.

I am not sure I posted the URLs correctly.


Good improvement. That said, I am firmly of the opinion that unless you block a few balls into the net, you are condemned to lifting the ball during practice. Don't try to make every ball, try to keep the ball arc lower and lower and if it goes into the net so be it, you can just try to get it a bit higher. Not pushing your range during practice is a common mistake but it leaves you not understanding how your stroke really works.


Thanks for the feedback! Actually, I blocked a few balls into the net. They must have been victims of the editing process. My main focus was to do the stroke the way Brett demonstrates in LTT32. Once I feel sufficiently comfortable (and Brett thinks that the technique is ok), I'll try to keep the ball arc lower. Over the last several weeks I found that the stroke I practice when I am at the table is often different from my shadowswing. E.g. when I do a shadowswing of my FH topspin my right arm is straight at the end of the backswing. However, once I am at the table, the arm is bent at the end of the backswing. I guess it's difficult (and it takes a lot of practice) to change the technique I have used for so many years.

In any event, I had another session today and I think that I start to have a better feeling for the BH block. I might post something today or tomorrow (including blocks into the net).


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Maybe they’ve changed it since I bought mine in late 2017. It weighs 75g and has 5 wood plies and 2 inner carbon plies. These are photos of the one I bought:
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Wow... that's a totally different blade! I suppose it explains the wonky listing.

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Hi, I started working with Brett towards the end of last month. Here is an introduction of myself: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=431&start=2355

Until now I have been communicating with Brett by email, but I plan to post some stuff in this thread as well. Last week, I recorded my BH block, which has too much topspin (https://youtu.be/RMMtfa20ExQ). Brett suggested looking at LTT32 (again) and LTT69. Since I didn't have a chance to do multiball this week I didn't do the exercises in LTT69. Instead, I tried to copy the stroke that he demonstrates in LTT32 yesterday. (https://youtu.be/JwTEpoVHW-8)

My initial reaction was: "Too much topspin. Don't send it to Brett." However, after comparing it to the video from last week, there are some improvements imo. E.g., I keep the racquet higher than before and some blocks might be even fairly flat.

I am not sure I posted the URLs correctly.


I think if you exaggerate the two-step process on your blocking, it will help you to block flatter: once you create the movement with your body, you will no longer need to use your arm to adjust the pace.

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Thanks for the feedback! Actually, I blocked a few balls into the net. They must have been victims of the editing process. My main focus was to do the stroke the way Brett demonstrates in LTT32. Once I feel sufficiently comfortable (and Brett thinks that the technique is ok), I'll try to keep the ball arc lower. Over the last several weeks I found that the stroke I practice when I am at the table is often different from my shadowswing. E.g. when I do a shadowswing of my FH topspin my right arm is straight at the end of the backswing. However, once I am at the table, the arm is bent at the end of the backswing. I guess it's difficult (and it takes a lot of practice) to change the technique I have used for so many years.

In any event, I had another session today and I think that I start to have a better feeling for the BH block. I might post something today or tomorrow (including blocks into the net).


I think as fastmover said you probably should focus on the two step process a bit more. That said, you are still using your arm to lift the ball and I find in my experience that this comes from a desire not to put the ball into the net which may happen fairly often when you use the right motion to hit a ball that lacks spin or that has sidespin that you didn't adjust for. But I don't think the effort to block flat is easy to separate from the effort to push the ball more downwards or thicker - it has be very deliberate to start and it affects the use the arm. You seem to be grazing and turning the ball upwards with your forearm which isn't the end of the world to be honest, it is a matter of degree. So blocking with a flatter trajectory sometimes into the net will probably improve the form of your block. You probably also need a very consistent looper to practice this against to reduce the variables to a minimum.

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NextLevel wrote:
Calderano FH flick.

https://youtu.be/CgrS5_hTkps?t=78

That is the inspiration for my forehand flick. Well, the real inspiration to practice today was a new forehand flick video on the internet - lots of good internet coaching these days. So I hit the club and I Was practicing and I received advice from two people that that flick was too big. Please review the video below if you have time and comment. It is a bit long - but when I see the Calderano flick, I think I will just use my current shot even if it is a bit large and continue to work on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3haEpvl ... e=youtu.be.

hi NL,
looking good.... when you are smooth and relaxed, it looks great.
I find this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNDojLA-nmU easier to copy - the racket head seems lower, and it seems more consistent than the "Calderano" version. The video also shows side views.Short and quick, with a bit of topspin.


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chopblock wrote:
Hi, I started working with Brett towards the end of last month. Here is an introduction of myself: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=431&start=2355

Until now I have been communicating with Brett by email, but I plan to post some stuff in this thread as well. Last week, I recorded my BH block, which has too much topspin (https://youtu.be/RMMtfa20ExQ). Brett suggested looking at LTT32 (again) and LTT69. Since I didn't have a chance to do multiball this week I didn't do the exercises in LTT69. Instead, I tried to copy the stroke that he demonstrates in LTT32 yesterday. (https://youtu.be/JwTEpoVHW-8)

My initial reaction was: "Too much topspin. Don't send it to Brett." However, after comparing it to the video from last week, there are some improvements imo. E.g., I keep the racquet higher than before and some blocks might be even fairly flat.

I am not sure I posted the URLs correctly.


Welcome!

It's difficult to block balls that you could just attack easily. Have him shoot some forehands into your backhand, maybe that'll be more the speed you are looking for in blocking.


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Calderano FH flick.

https://youtu.be/CgrS5_hTkps?t=78

That is the inspiration for my forehand flick. Well, the real inspiration to practice today was a new forehand flick video on the internet - lots of good internet coaching these days. So I hit the club and I Was practicing and I received advice from two people that that flick was too big. Please review the video below if you have time and comment. It is a bit long - but when I see the Calderano flick, I think I will just use my current shot even if it is a bit large and continue to work on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3haEpvl ... e=youtu.be.

hi NL,
looking good.... when you are smooth and relaxed, it looks great.
I find this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNDojLA-nmU easier to copy - the racket head seems lower, and it seems more consistent than the "Calderano" version. The video also shows side views.Short and quick, with a bit of topspin.


I like NL friend's shot towards the end of the video. Should be even easier to copy due to offline availability of the exponent.

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Calderano FH flick.

https://youtu.be/CgrS5_hTkps?t=78

That is the inspiration for my forehand flick. Well, the real inspiration to practice today was a new forehand flick video on the internet - lots of good internet coaching these days. So I hit the club and I Was practicing and I received advice from two people that that flick was too big. Please review the video below if you have time and comment. It is a bit long - but when I see the Calderano flick, I think I will just use my current shot even if it is a bit large and continue to work on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3haEpvl ... e=youtu.be.

hi NL,
looking good.... when you are smooth and relaxed, it looks great.
I find this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNDojLA-nmU easier to copy - the racket head seems lower, and it seems more consistent than the "Calderano" version. The video also shows side views.Short and quick, with a bit of topspin.


I like NL friend's shot towards the end of the video. Should be even easier to copy due to offline availability of the exponent.


He is a 2400 level coach. It is something to copy for sure but when I fo that I put the ball in the net usually.

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NextLevel wrote:

He is a 2400 level coach. It is something to copy for sure but when I fo that I put the ball in the net usually.


He comes down a little bit and then up. Seems like his body supports the shot too. It looks pretty good to me. I wish I had a flick that could get past people.


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Fastmover and NextLevel, thank you for the suggestion to focus on and exaggerate the two-step process. And thanks for the warm welcome, wilkinru.

Here is some footage from yesterday, which was recorded before receiving your comments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEfMVAL9ArA

I agree with NextLevel that I am still putting topspin on the block despite my attempts not to. E.g., at 1:27 I do a correct (imo) shadowswing (without the two-step process), but my actual technique is different. Old habits die hard. I think that my racquet face is too closed, which "encourages" coming over the ball. Today, I will try using a more open racquet face while exaggerating the two-step process. If that doesn't work, then I'll go through the chop block exercise Brett suggests in LTT69.

Having said that, I am pleased with the progress. It's going in the right direction.


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Fastmover and NextLevel, thank you for the suggestion to focus on and exaggerate the two-step process. And thanks for the warm welcome, wilkinru.

Here is some footage from yesterday, which was recorded before receiving your comments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEfMVAL9ArA

I agree with NextLevel that I am still putting topspin on the block despite my attempts not to. E.g., at 1:27 I do a correct (imo) shadowswing (without the two-step process), but my actual technique is different. Old habits die hard. I think that my racquet face is too closed, which "encourages" coming over the ball. Today, I will try using a more open racquet face while exaggerating the two-step process. If that doesn't work, then I'll go through the chop block exercise Brett suggests in LTT69.

Having said that, I am pleased with the progress. It's going in the right direction.


Hey chopblock, good to see you here. Here's my attempt at the two step process blocking (I'm in yellow): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzztNz6CV5Q

I very much agree with NL, especially this: "But I don't think the effort to block flat is easy to separate from the effort to push the ball more downwards or thicker - it has be very deliberate to start and it affects the use the arm. You seem to be grazing and turning the ball upwards with your forearm which isn't the end of the world to be honest, it is a matter of degree."

Perhaps I could bow a bit more when I block, but I imagine it like this: the downwards bow brings the wrist back (or lets it fall back) and as I'm coming out of the bow the wrist pushes forward into the ball. I'm trying to push my wrist into the ball with a thick contact, so that the ball has less spin. If you turn your forearm more like I think you're doing then the ball should be spinnier as it's very difficult to hit the ball flat with that motion, and as you mention the bat is more closed like that. In your more recent videos it looks like you're incorporating the bowing movement better but I still think you could give it a try to let the wrist "fall back" slightly with the bow and then spring back out. I think it's all very subtle so keep that in mind in order to not force the movements too much.

I think that small movement with the wrist (and a bit with the forearm) to push into the ball, instead of turning the forearm so much is important, but it's also important to use the two step bow as that makes the whole stroke more stable.

Like you say, I think the shadow swing technique at 1.27 looks correct and you're going in the right direction for sure.


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Fastmover and NextLevel, thank you for the suggestion to focus on and exaggerate the two-step process. And thanks for the warm welcome, wilkinru.

Here is some footage from yesterday, which was recorded before receiving your comments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEfMVAL9ArA

I agree with NextLevel that I am still putting topspin on the block despite my attempts not to. E.g., at 1:27 I do a correct (imo) shadowswing (without the two-step process), but my actual technique is different. Old habits die hard. I think that my racquet face is too closed, which "encourages" coming over the ball. Today, I will try using a more open racquet face while exaggerating the two-step process. If that doesn't work, then I'll go through the chop block exercise Brett suggests in LTT69.

Having said that, I am pleased with the progress. It's going in the right direction.


Hey chopblock, good to see you here. Here's my attempt at the two step process blocking (I'm in yellow): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzztNz6CV5Q

I very much agree with NL, especially this: "But I don't think the effort to block flat is easy to separate from the effort to push the ball more downwards or thicker - it has be very deliberate to start and it affects the use the arm. You seem to be grazing and turning the ball upwards with your forearm which isn't the end of the world to be honest, it is a matter of degree."

Perhaps I could bow a bit more when I block, but I imagine it like this: the downwards bow brings the wrist back (or lets it fall back) and as I'm coming out of the bow the wrist pushes forward into the ball. I'm trying to push my wrist into the ball with a thick contact, so that the ball has less spin. If you turn your forearm more like I think you're doing then the ball should be spinnier as it's very difficult to hit the ball flat with that motion, and as you mention the bat is more closed like that. In your more recent videos it looks like you're incorporating the bowing movement better but I still think you could give it a try to let the wrist "fall back" slightly with the bow and then spring back out. I think it's all very subtle so keep that in mind in order to not force the movements too much.

I think that small movement with the wrist (and a bit with the forearm) to push into the ball, instead of turning the forearm so much is important, but it's also important to use the two step bow as that makes the whole stroke more stable.

Like you say, I think the shadow swing technique at 1.27 looks correct and you're going in the right direction for sure.


Hey Richie, thank you for the feedback and suggestions! It's helpful for me that you posted a video of your own BH block. And more importantly, thank you for encouraging me to sign up for TTEdge. I enjoy working on my technique. Today, I continued practicing the BH block and I think I made some additional improvements. I plan to post footage later today.


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Richfs wrote:
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Fastmover and NextLevel, thank you for the suggestion to focus on and exaggerate the two-step process. And thanks for the warm welcome, wilkinru.

Here is some footage from yesterday, which was recorded before receiving your comments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEfMVAL9ArA

I agree with NextLevel that I am still putting topspin on the block despite my attempts not to. E.g., at 1:27 I do a correct (imo) shadowswing (without the two-step process), but my actual technique is different. Old habits die hard. I think that my racquet face is too closed, which "encourages" coming over the ball. Today, I will try using a more open racquet face while exaggerating the two-step process. If that doesn't work, then I'll go through the chop block exercise Brett suggests in LTT69.

Having said that, I am pleased with the progress. It's going in the right direction.


Hey chopblock, good to see you here. Here's my attempt at the two step process blocking (I'm in yellow): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzztNz6CV5Q

I very much agree with NL, especially this: "But I don't think the effort to block flat is easy to separate from the effort to push the ball more downwards or thicker - it has be very deliberate to start and it affects the use the arm. You seem to be grazing and turning the ball upwards with your forearm which isn't the end of the world to be honest, it is a matter of degree."

Perhaps I could bow a bit more when I block, but I imagine it like this: the downwards bow brings the wrist back (or lets it fall back) and as I'm coming out of the bow the wrist pushes forward into the ball. I'm trying to push my wrist into the ball with a thick contact, so that the ball has less spin. If you turn your forearm more like I think you're doing then the ball should be spinnier as it's very difficult to hit the ball flat with that motion, and as you mention the bat is more closed like that. In your more recent videos it looks like you're incorporating the bowing movement better but I still think you could give it a try to let the wrist "fall back" slightly with the bow and then spring back out. I think it's all very subtle so keep that in mind in order to not force the movements too much.

I think that small movement with the wrist (and a bit with the forearm) to push into the ball, instead of turning the forearm so much is important, but it's also important to use the two step bow as that makes the whole stroke more stable.

Like you say, I think the shadow swing technique at 1.27 looks correct and you're going in the right direction for sure.


Great to see you on video again. We await the epic matches and hope your ear is better.

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Fastmover and NextLevel, thank you for the suggestion to focus on and exaggerate the two-step process. And thanks for the warm welcome, wilkinru.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEfMVAL9ArA
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Looks better. Also a better quality ball coming in at your backhand. At the end of Rich's video has better quality balls coming in for blocking, compared to the beginning which looked like more like counter hitting to me.

It's interesting that there might be some different arm action blocking against slower balls that I have not considered before. I'll have to take a look at what I do this weekend.


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