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PostPosted: 02 Aug 2019, 22:43 
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The serve is counter clockwise side spin with back spin and it stays short in my upper right quarter of the table.
So when I reach, the racket face at a wrong angle to the ball to counter act the spin.
So the ball jumps way left and often off the table or net, depend how open my racket is....

The best I can do is impart back spin of my own by fast chop with open racket face.
If successful then I am in the game.

Is it what you would do?
How to get around the fact that racket face at a wrong angle to the ball direction... bothering me a bit.

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"counter clockwise side spin" - do you mean a reverse pendulum serve?


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Just in case it is what I think it is - here's a video on receiving such kind of serves:



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Hi
thanks for your reply.
Yes , it is like reverse pendulum serve, few things are different
- he executes it as tomohawk serve from right hand side of his table
- the ball lands much shorter than the video examples and keeps moving away towards my right hand side of the table,
it would fall off the side of the table if I let it go

So direction of the ball is like 45 degrees to the table axis

So it is quite difficult to roll my hand the way the guy on the video does...
however now that I know I should be able to do that.... I can just practice with a purpose
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You could also try using your backhand side to counteract the spin if it’s uncomfortable to roll your hand/wrist like Brian Pace shows in the video.

Kind of like a push return but think of cradling the ball back to the right and it should go straight.

I would ask someone at your club to give you a few reverse serves (pendulum or tomahawk) so you could just get that feeling down and recognition down.

Soon you’ll be able to place that return anywhere on the table and create some pressure (or hopefully havoc) for your opponents that they won’t even think about giving you that serve again. ;)


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Yeah, the correct way is to angle the racket the way the guy does in the video - you know it's going to shoot off to the left so you have to direct it to the right. You can either push it back with the angled racket (backspin) or roll it (topspin) or if you're good enough, flick it (faster topspin). Better yet, mix up the returns. Yes, you need to practice..

Now if you think this is bad.. you should be thankful your opponent doesn't use the same serve, except that he puts topspin + sidespin on it instead half the time.. He hasn't figured out how to do that yet. :lol:

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Why not try a BH Flick from the Forehand side ? Like FZD ? Also try the Strawberry ? :lol:

Yep like others mentioned variations of Tomahawk serve do behave similar to Reverse-pendulum serve ... again TT is all about deception ... so maybe shoot some videos to analyze the server and serve ... use slo-mo to check the ball contact point, racket movement, height of contact , etc. Did you read and receive the serve correctly ? :)

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Don't underestimate the importance of getting your feet to where they need to be to play the return. Stretch and it will likely go wrong. If and when you struggle with these returns, look at where your feet were.

Of course, you also need to recover back to the 'ready' position, but play your stroke first. Another common fault is being too anxious to recover....

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It makes so much difference when you know you are not doing anything stupid.
Been much more successful the other day doing exactly what I was doing before but with a purpose.

Paid more attention to the serve.... it actually got variations from just side spin to side spin with back spin of different degree...
It dived down on me when tried to top spin back... racket face was too much closed...

But in the end... return worked really well with decent percentage... he reduced the number of these serves fortunately...
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On second thoughts... As someone else suggested earlier, you can turn the racket around and take it with the backhand side of the bat, even though the ball is way to your forehand side. Easier to achieve the correct angle this way. Besides, if you have long pips on that side the sidespin's going to get returned to the server, who has to figure out what to do with it.

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Yes, I had same idea and tried it.
Confused the hell out of myself.
Didn't have enough time to switch back, tried to loop with LP, made a fool of myself, lost the point[GRINNING FACE WITH SMILING EYES]

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It's a little hard to visualize. But if the ball comes far off the side of the table and short it sounds like you could step arpund and play your fh around the net. If the ball is that wide and short you don't even really need sidespin, you would have a straight line outside the net.

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Thanks for your reply.
If the ball is long enough I always try to loop back.
If the ball is short, two considerations are in place
- I do not have sufficient time to position myself for loop back as I usually receive serves standing on the line of the table edge on the left, even slightly beyond the edge.
- I do not possess a flicking back technique
Hence I always chop back all short balls, including this one
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Zverev wrote:
Thanks for your reply.
If the ball is long enough I always try to loop back.
If the ball is short, two considerations are in place
- I do not have sufficient time to position myself for loop back as I usually receive serves standing on the line of the table edge on the left, even slightly beyond the edge.
- I do not possess a flicking back technique
Hence I always chop back all short balls, including this one
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Have you tried standing more towards the center of the table? Especially having in mind that you have pips on the BH which could be used for service return over a good part of the table.


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ziv wrote:
Have you tried standing more towards the center of the table? Especially having in mind that you have pips on the BH which could be used for service return over a good part of the table.


Not really, I am rarely using pips, only when I am pressed to.
The thing is I do not see myself as pips player in the future, I am just trying for a few months to understand LP.
It would no doubt delay my BH development, but I am not in a hurry.

Standing towards center of the table would probably be a positive move to return those serves, you are right.


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