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Ok, let's meet right in the middle; a 39 mm plastic.
More spin and speed...
Also, feeling totally being agree with an aspect ratio changing. Best will be total aspect ratio freedom.

This isn't going anywhere.

I mean, seriously. Do you want to go back to this?



I'd rather watch Harimoto or Ito or Joo any day.. the rallies are longer and more spectacular, they do a lot more with the ball than they did back then.

Iskandar

Those no toss serves are pretty epic, LOL. I'd love to see what a frictionless anti like Scandal could do to one of the super spinny loops from back in the day with a 38 mm celluloid ball. The reversal would be insane.

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The only reason the no-toss serves seem remarkable is because there's a rule against doing them these days - if you visit here and go to clubs you'll find people in their 50s and 60s serving that way to this day because those serves were legal when they began playing 40 years ago. Those serves are relatively easy to deal with - it's the hidden serves that came into vogue 10 years later that were spectacular to play against, thought not to watch from a distance. You still see vestiges of them today, even though the rules say the contact point must be visible - that front-leg forward stance most people use dates back to that time, and still serves to hide a lot of the stroke before the contact point.

I guess, more to the point - the point. As you see in this video - they're short. Bang-bang it's over. Mainly due to the lack of the sort of control over the ball you can see today, especially against attacking balls. Anti? It was certainly already in use back then - there were some really dead and slick antis you can't get today, like Sriver Killer (why did Butterfly quit selling it?), quite a few top players used anti because it was near-impossible to return ultra-heavy Dell Sweeris-type slow loops without them. You could also use bare wood (some penholders would use the back side of their blade) - if you think ANY kind of rubber has reversal, you haven't tried playing against someone playing with bare wood (there's one person in our circle who does.. and has gotten quite good at it). Long pips had to wait another 5-10 years before it became widespread (from what I recall it first caught on among the women).

Iskandar

Sure.
In 1980-81, I was playing with Butterfly Tempest OX short pimple and OX long pimple called Mr. Argus Spin on a Butterfly Blade called French Style and have been in the national team camp.
That long pimple was something in between Grass Dtecs and Superblock, with longer pimples and with minimum friction. Never met anybody who looped 6 times in a row against.
As anti, remembering Sriver Killer, Nittaku Best Anti and after, Butterfly Super Anti. They were, specially Sriver Killer was quite ''deceptive'' but out of factory, none of that antis were frictionless that days.
Today, to me, it feels the playing quality of even the best 40 mm. is 2nd. even 3rd. class.
38s, Nittakus and Barnas were great!
And looking forward for 39 mm. plastic balls if not 38. It'll be amazing with todays game and equipments and with aspect ratio and friction freedom.

I vote for 38mm ball, old aspect ratio, and no minimum friction for pips.

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Regarding styles, I liked this excerpt from an article by Jack Carrington. Nowadays at the top they play one style. HB days had diversity and 38mm ball.

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38 mm would be nice.

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Actually, I don't mind going back in time.
Maybe to the 1980-90's. More player styles, shakehand / penhold, inverted / pips...
I would vote for 38 mm ball.

Any new rule in favour of defensive play is far-fetched.The intentions have been made already.We can only dream for the time being.
When there are a new group of free thinking executives,then , we can start seeing more sensible rules for any style .

I do agree with mynamenotbob's observations

The ITTF has had a culture of hating defenders from the beginning. Their first president Ivor Montegu, who ran the operation for 40 years, is on the record saying defenders have weak minds and are cowardly. F that guy.

Read pages 12 and 13.
https://tabletennisengland.co.uk/etta_w ... sue144.pdf

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Ivor Montegu clearly hates defenders.His theory is based on just expecting errors from the opponent.He indirectly insults all the clever defensive players ; be them amateurs or professionals.There is a strategy called counterattack,which he does not explain fully.

Weak mind? A weak mind is the attacker who falls into the trap and cannot beat a defensive style. Defenders do not always win just by pure defense,especially now with the plastic ball and the restrictions on pips .

His voice sounds like the voice of wisdom , dyed with hatred . Winning is just imposing your game over the opponent. Winning is not just attacking .

Why not value the fact that you can play with 2 different rubbers, be them pips or anti + inverted , for example ?. I see no weak minds here but very intelligent players and above all, lots of training sessions to master 2 different rubbers .

I would never have said that the Chopper in this video has a weak mind or lacks intelligence .Hence, Mr Ivor Montegu's observations are COMPLETELY WRONG !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kFxgQFMVMI

especially, check it out at 14:58 ..... a defender's dream point