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PostPosted: 20 Dec 2022, 08:07 
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At our club we have about 60 players with a standard from beginner up to say 1,300 ratings central / USTT, roughly. I'm about 1100.

There is no coaching and due to this, I'd say that 90% of players cannot hit a proper forehand loop, let alone backhand loop. Although not a great player I can teach the lower end players some technique and have been running sessions over the last 6 weeks which has yielded improvements from a few players. We are getting 6 to 8 people join in each week and they keep coming back and feedback I'm getting is that everyone is improving. They are also having fun doing so, so can't be going that bad.

These are adult players ranging from age 20 to say 60 and as you can imagine, with so many bad habits ingrained it can be very difficult to teach an old dog new tricks.

Our training nights are open for 2 hours so I like to do some drills for about an hour to then give people an opportunity to just have a hit and socialise etc.

I'm looking for any ideas on how to run a group session that can focus on technique, get improvement yet not be boring. The main issue with all these players is that their forehand is just a sideswipe swat, like a typical novice. Often they are very backhand dominant which means their positioning is all wrong as well. Breaking that habit is really hard but I feel its really necessary for these players to get from B/C grade ranks up into our A grade.

What I'm finding difficult is that when I'm holding group sessions, I'm finding it really hard to get them focussed on technique. When I'm working 1 on 1 for even 10 minutes I'm seeing instant improvement, but then as time goes on, old habits start taking over when I'm not there. Unfortunately I don't have the time to work with every individual for an hour a week. What we should do at this level is just hit forehand to block for a full hour to really grind it in but this would be very boring for everyone so I try to mix it up with say 15 minutes of each drill or game, focussed on technique or strategy but I don't think thats the most efficient way to improvement.

What suggestions do you have in the way I should approach to running sessions ?

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A very difficult situation indeed!

I've done very little coaching, and I've never done any group coaching, so I can't really offer any suggestions, but hopefully if we keep this thread active, some of the coaches that have experience with this can chip in.

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Hi,

I train a group of hoby players every week for 1.5 hours. Most of them have been training with a sub par technique for long time. Others are just beginning.

We do warmup, change routine drills on movement (5 mins each side, rotate players after every drill) and always do some match situations (open up backspin, 5th ball attack, ...)

My partner always does multiball for 15 min with one player. Really focusing on technique. I try to focus on movement and where to position yourself and how to use legs for power. Arm technique is much more forgiving. So in group i don´t focus too much on it.

We try to keep it fun and do´t focus to much on improving. We do a lot of positive feedback. All the players have improved a lot over the past 1 year and half. Some of them without knowing. They can do drills and play way better in matches. Their movement is a lot better.

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PostPosted: 21 Dec 2022, 17:19 
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Thankyou Carels for the informed reply. Certainly some things I can take out of your post.

One thing is to change partners each drill, the other is don't expect miracles.

The feedback I've been getting through a mate who doesnt come to the sessions is that everyone feels they are getting better and he can see it in their play. From the lowest C grader to the higher B graders.

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How the coaches at MSAC in Melbourne do it:

Coach demonstrates shot for about 10 minutes with everyone standing watching. Then, teams up partners with same relative strength, one feeds balls, other practices shot. Switch ball feeder and learner after 10 mins, otherwise shot breaks down.

Each player 2 sessions, then switch to something else. Coach cir ulates continually, providing advice


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# Adult Coaching

I have had a lot of experience with coaching for adult learners. My coach used to run a regular session which I attended, and I also ran a session with a different coach twice a week, aimed specifically at novice and intermediate adult learners.

Two of the areas where adult players can make significant progress within a group context are tactics and consistency.

Without significant 1:1 attention it's ambitious to expect an adult learner, especially an adult learner who has been playing for a long time, to make radical changes to their technique, in a group setting. It's slightly less ambitious to expect them to improve their footwork and movement, as their ability to do so may be limited by their age, mobility, weight and general fitness.

However, with persistence and targeted practice, it's not at all unreasonable to expect players to improve their accuracy, consistency, game-reading, and strategy and tactics.

For this reason, setting up the session with these aims up front can make a big difference.

Many novice players are unable to sustain a fh-fh or bh-bh rally of even 10-20 shots, and most novice players have no conception of tactics and are not great at reading the game or adapting. These can be greatly improved, with directly transferable skills to matchplay.

Start the session with a physical "warm up". This can be very low intensity, but a slow jog or fast walk around the hall, followed by a few targeted stretches is well-worth doing, and sets the tone that the players are doing something different from "just a knock".

Then have the players pair up, and run through fh-fh cross court, bh-bh cross court, and fh-bh and bh-fh down the line. Set a realistic milestone - eg 30 consecutive shots for each shot. Time-box this - 2-3 mins per shot, and shout out "change". Have the players call out their records - this is an easy metric for them to track to see if their consistency is improving. You could even award a little prize at levels, say 10, 25, 50, 100.

Next sort the players into ability. A fun way to do that is with 10 mins of "top table" - this isn't necessarily a perfect measure, as it can favour those with good serves, and some players can tend to rush because they fear "change" being called, but make it light-hearted, and you should get a decent clustering.

For the session itself plan 3 - 4 exercises. Partners will take it in turns to "control" the exercise - 5 mins is a little short allowing for mistakes and ball fetching - I find 7 is ideal. Begin each exercise with a demonstration of the exercise with the coach and assistant or coach and one of the best players. Have everyone watch, and be clear they understand the exercise.

In all the exercises we're aiming for two things. Improved consistency (as measured by how long the players can sustain the exerise) and improved tactics (because what we're doing in the exercises has direct relevance to the game).

How do the exercises have direct relevance? Well, in a game, we can (and should) vary one of three variables - speed, spin, placement. Being able to vary these on demand allows the player to do that in a match. And the skill of deciding in a practice rally to aim the ball to a deliberate place, change the speed or spin becomes something which starts to become available in a match situation, which allows the skill to be used in a match without the player realising it.

Exercises should therefore aim to work towards varying each of these variables. So try to make sure in one or two the players have to hit one hard and one soft, or one with heavy spin and one with light spin, as well as varying placement. The exercises can be regular - ie both players always do the same thing, and the exercise has no randomness. They can be semi-regular - ie there is an element of randomness, and irregular (no pattern). The latter is hardest to do and control. I have a library of exercises - if you want some ideas feel free to DM me. Ttedge used to have a good section on exercises too - some are quite advanced, but some are pretty easy.

Try to increase the difficulty over the session, by introducing more variable and making the exercises less regular.

Incorporate serve and return in the later exercises - again this encourages control and consistency - being able to serve short deliberately, or to push long off a serve, deliberately, is a hugely transferrable skill.

Finally end with some matches or more top table. I quite like to use "conditional" matches - eg one player always serves, and all serves are short; or one player can never push twice in a row. There are lots of options here.

If you set out your sessions with this sort of structure - a bit of warm up, some ordering/top table, a few exercises of increasing but realistic difficulty, starting with a demo, in which the controller swaps after 5-7 mins, and end with some matches, you'll fill a couple of hours with engaging and applicable content.

Depending on how many people you have training and how many coaches you have, you may or may not be able to offer advice during the session. However, if you set up front the expectation that the objective is to play the most shots, and aim to control the ball, rather than "win the point", and encourage players to play at whatever speed/strength allows them to be consistent, you will find improvements take care of themselves.

One thing to add, which I think Carels mentioned too, is the element of multi ball. If you have the facilities to do this (ie lots of balls, a net, and something to pick the balls up), rotating players through a multi ball station is a great thing to do. If you have a volunteer who is prepared to feed multi ball, that can be good, but there is *huge* merit in having learners feed for each other - it really helps develop feeling and spin and placement.

Good luck - coaching for adult learners is very challenging, but a lot of fun and can be extremely rewarding.

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Really appreciate all the time you have put into the replies. Certainly some things to take on board.

I'd really like to have an extra person come out and help feed multiball whilst I roam around and swap the sessions but no luck to date. Should happen soon. Might have to get some more balls too.

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Hi Cobalt,

I too have been attempting to run coaching at the club I find myself. We have fewer than 20 players, mostly of a lesser standard. I proposed it, and the local accredited coach agreed to come and do it on a Saturday afternoon while I did the boring things like opening and setting up and closing up etc, but he found that even though his shop was closed, he was still having to work then quite often. We had around 4 for the 1st session where the coach organised group exercises, but that rapidly dropped off.

I became the coach to the one or 2 that did turn up, who admittedly were the ones that needed it most. I gave them tactical pointers, showed them a bit about shot selection and positioning and built on what the real coach had started. He has identified the inability to read spin as one of the main things holding a lot of our players back. So I fed them a lot of different spinny balls for them to identify what spin there was and how to deal with it.

One player wants to have an open top spin type game, so I worked with them on opening against back spin and identifying which incoming shots were more susceptible for that and which ones they would be better off pushing back. He also got quite frustrated when his shots missed, so I have pointed out that they need to play one point at a time and put misses like that out of his mind.

The other player has a stronger backhand and quite a qood backhand smash. the coach had identified the better backhand and suggested taking the ball on the backhand over more of the table. I also worked with them on tactics to bring their backhand more into play. They also had a less than good smash off high balls, so guess what, we worked on positioning and what height to play their shot.

I am the first to admit that I am not a coach, but I have been playing comp for 40 years, and the local table tennis consisted of one night of handicap round robin a week and one night of handicap team matches a week, and nobody much was improving in this format, so I started up the separate coaching sessions.

This coming year, having found out that the TTA insurance scheme via state affiliation will cover unaffiliated players in an affiliated club for loss of income if they injure themselves, I will be proposing having the Saturday afternoon sessions be open to people wanting to come along and have a taste of table tennis, given that the club has 4 tables and for the larger part of the Saturday afternoon training sessions we were only using one table. I used to run something like this prior to moving to where I am now. It remains to be seen if it will actually happen.

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