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Author:  mynamenotbob [ 12 Dec 2020, 09:25 ]
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Hubeer wrote:
mynamenotbob wrote:
ITTF jumped all over Dr. Neubauer when they tried to sell a non-ITTF approved rubber. But in China, it's totally OK. Unfair double standard.


I doubt very much this is true. Even true, as I said he could have easily bypassed it by starting another company.

I also doubt if it was ok in China, if this whole thing is true to start with, as I am still waiting to see a proof (link etc) where it says ITTF connected manufacturers are not allowed to make non-ITTF rubbers

There's a thread on here where it was confirmed. The rubber was Super Block Extreme.

Author:  Hubeer [ 12 Dec 2020, 11:25 ]
Post subject:  Re: Split emerges at ITTF - who will run against Weikert?

mynamenotbob wrote:
Hubeer wrote:
mynamenotbob wrote:
ITTF jumped all over Dr. Neubauer when they tried to sell a non-ITTF approved rubber. But in China, it's totally OK. Unfair double standard.


I doubt very much this is true. Even true, as I said he could have easily bypassed it by starting another company.

I also doubt if it was ok in China, if this whole thing is true to start with, as I am still waiting to see a proof (link etc) where it says ITTF connected manufacturers are not allowed to make non-ITTF rubbers

There's a thread on here where it was confirmed. The rubber was Super Block Extreme.


Thanks for the info. But it confirms NOTHING to me. It simply confirms that Karsten Neubauer said ITTF told him so. But I still would like to see where it says in some ITTF manual that it is not allowed.

It is possible that ITTF was strong arming Dr.Neubauer (if true) but that is neither official nor legal unless it is in ITTF rules or bylaws etc.

I have lot of additional comments about relationship between ITTF's XYZ and Dr.Neubauer but will hold off on making further comments till June 2021.

Author:  Carsten Neubauer [ 18 Dec 2020, 05:37 ]
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Hi Guys,
It is interesting to follow your discussion about the matter of long pimple rubbers without ITTF homologation.
For your information, we have nearly 2000pcs of 'Dr.Neubauer Super Block Extreme' in stock that I would love to sell, but unfortunately I can't.
While we strongly disagree with this situation, we have to accept it.

On the other hand, what we don't accept is that many Chinese rubbers are available for sale with reduced friction on the surface, carrying the ITTF logo on it, pretending to be legal.
We find this highly unfair, but unlike most other places in the world it seems that the ban of frictionless pimple surfaces is difficult to enforce in China.

Best,

Carsten

Author:  charmander defender [ 18 Dec 2020, 11:32 ]
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Carsten Neubauer wrote:
We find this highly unfair, but unlike most other places in the world it seems that the ban of frictionless pimple surfaces is difficult to enforce in China.



THAT is the reason why you can purchase SuperBlock Extreme in some Asian websites . :) :) :)

Author:  igorponger [ 18 Dec 2020, 11:44 ]
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@ Carsten Neubauer

HOLY COW !!.
The Chinese Sacred Cow is known to give sweet milk a lot for ITTF financial nutrition.
And DHS manufactory is the best milk giver of superior generosity. Sacred Cow is an untouchable animal, you know.

Author:  igorponger [ 18 Dec 2020, 16:01 ]
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igorponger wrote:
CHINA KEEPS MARKETING JUNK RUBBERS. ITTF SITS DORMANT.
A set of Marketing Regulations should be mandatory for all manufacturers, including CHINA.
Chinese DHS mnfc takes a solid profit from the unduly grace by ITTF, the world sport goverment who seems unwilling to have proper control over the many low-quality rubber products on market worldwide.


IDENTIFICATION OF THE SPONGE LAYER OF SANDWICH RUBBER. (Draft provision to T4 document).

Не все ладно в теннисном королевстве. И если сказать честно и прямо — там царит большой бардак. Когда соперники выходят к столу они пред'являют свою игровую ракету для осмотра
в руки соперника. Это полезная процедура, поскольку от реального качества и состояния резины напрямую зависит результат спортивного матча.
Однако, по факту, взяв в руки ракету соперника мы имеем в руках типа свинья в мешке pig in the poke. То есть, ты никак не можешь понять и оценить реальные игровые качества ракеты которую соперник намерен использовать для игры. Сверху мы видим обычный стандартный топшит, а под ним может скрыватца какая угодно губка, какая угодно дрянь. Такая нетерпимая ситуация сложилась в результате китайской коммерческой анархии, и с этой анархией надо кончать раз и навсегда.

Мы с японскими товарищами придумали хорошую административную меру, чтобы купировать китайский коммерчесий беспредел. И мы будем продвигать эту идею на официальном уровне ИТТФ.
Вкратце говоря, мы предлагаем на всех губках которые приклеены в составе сэндвича ставить ОСОБЫЙ фабричный штамп (идентификатор), который удостоверяет что эта та самая губка которая прошла через Сертификацию ИТТФ. Дизайн и содержание штампа сейчас у меня в разработке, и он будет утвержден без долгих проволочек, я надеюсь.
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We came up with an unprecedented administrative measure designed to stop the Chinese commercial illegalities. And we will promote this idea at the official level of the ITTF.
In short, we propound a plan that a SPECIAL factory stamp (identifier) is printed on all sponges that are glued as part of the sandwich rubber, which certifies that this is the same sponge that has passed through the ITTF Certification procedures. The image and composition of the stamp is currently under development, and it should be approved without much delay, I hope.

Image © Exclusive ownership by author

Author:  Carsten Neubauer [ 18 Dec 2020, 17:57 ]
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Hi,

Yes, some Asian distributors ordered a bigger quantity in the summer 2019 when SUPER BLOCK EXTREME was launched, before we were locked down with that rubber, so they are still feeding on that stock.

As to DHS, I don't see any wrongdoing on their side as far as frictionless long pimples are concerned.

BR

Carsten

Author:  igorponger [ 18 Dec 2020, 21:23 ]
Post subject:  Re: Split emerges at ITTF - who will run against Weikert?

igorponger wrote:
igorponger wrote:
CHINA KEEPS MARKETING JUNK RUBBERS. ITTF SITS DORMANT.
A set of Marketing Regulations should be mandatory for all manufacturers, including CHINA.
Chinese DHS mnfc takes a solid profit from the unduly grace by ITTF, the world sport goverment who seems unwilling to have proper control over the many low-quality rubber products on market worldwide.


IDENTIFICATION OF THE SPONGE LAYER OF SANDWICH RUBBER. (Draft provision to T4 document).

Не все ладно в теннисном королевстве. И если сказать честно и прямо — там царит большой бардак. Когда соперники выходят к столу они пред'являют свою игровую ракету для осмотра
в руки соперника. Это полезная процедура, поскольку от реального качества и состояния резины напрямую зависит результат спортивного матча.
Однако, по факту, взяв в руки ракету соперника мы имеем в руках типа свинья в мешке pig in the poke. То есть, ты никак не можешь понять и оценить реальные игровые качества ракеты которую соперник намерен использовать для игры. Сверху мы видим обычный стандартный топшит, а под ним может скрыватца какая угодно губка, какая угодно дрянь. Такая нетерпимая ситуация сложилась в результате китайской коммерческой анархии, и с этой анархией надо кончать раз и навсегда.

Мы с японскими товарищами придумали хорошую административную меру, чтобы купировать китайский коммерчесий беспредел. И мы будем продвигать эту идею на официальном уровне ИТТФ.
Вкратце говоря, мы предлагаем на всех губках которые приклеены в составе сэндвича ставить ОСОБЫЙ фабричный штамп (идентификатор), который удостоверяет что эта та самая губка которая прошла через Сертификацию ИТТФ. Дизайн и содержание штампа сейчас у меня в разработке, и он будет утвержден без долгих проволочек, я надеюсь.
_______________________________________
We came up with an unprecedented administrative measure designed to stop Chinese commercial illegalities. And we will promote this idea at the official level of the ITTF.
In short, we propound a plan that a SPECIAL factory stamp (identifier) should be printed on all sponges that are glued as part of the sandwich rubber, which certifies that this is the same sponge that has passed through the ITTF Certification procedures. The image and composition of the stamp is currently under development, and it should be approved without much delay, I hope.

Image © Exclusive ownership by author

Author:  charmander defender [ 19 Dec 2020, 00:48 ]
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Carsten Neubauer wrote:
Hi,

Yes, some Asian distributors ordered a bigger quantity in the summer 2019 when SUPER BLOCK EXTREME was launched, before we were locked down with that rubber, so they are still feeding on that stock.
Carsten


Thank you for the explanation!! may I ask what you are going to do with the remaining SUPER BLOCK rubbers ?

Author:  Carsten Neubauer [ 21 Dec 2020, 05:28 ]
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For the time being, we shall keep them in stock

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