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Author:  Oskar [ 27 Sep 2013, 16:52 ]
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If the moderator can find a video example of someone engaged in retrieving I'd be very happy. No pressure. Or maybe someone else who thinks they have a good example could post one and then ... let the discussion begin!
Author:  Pipsy [ 27 Sep 2013, 17:21 ]
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Is this retrieving style always with double inverted or is a combination with LP also possible? You can get some really awkward balls when doing a kind of fishing movement or upward blocking movement with long pips away from the table.

Is this style characterized by taking the ball very late and low?
Author:  Def-attack [ 27 Sep 2013, 18:11 ]
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Oskar wrote:
If the moderator can find a video example of someone engaged in retrieving I'd be very happy. No pressure. Or maybe someone else who thinks they have a good example could post one and then ... let the discussion begin!


Here is the most recent of Mikael Appelgren, but this time agasint defender Wang Xi, so not much retrieving there I guess:


Here is a match ifrom last season in Pingisligan (Sweden's highest league) filmed by my friend:


An old match:


Then we have Michael Maze who had some fun with a couple of chineese players back in 2005 (before Ma Lin showed them what a drop shot is :-) )
Author:  Def-attack [ 27 Sep 2013, 18:15 ]
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Also, doesn't many defenders play a sort of retrieving game from FH, like Chen Wixin, Panagiotis Gionis, Wang Xi, Hou Yingchao, Ruwen Filus, etc?
Author:  Def-attack [ 27 Sep 2013, 19:00 ]
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Pipsy wrote:
Is this retrieving style always with double inverted or is a combination with LP also possible? You can get some really awkward balls when doing a kind of fishing movement or upward blocking movement with long pips away from the table.

Is this style characterized by taking the ball very late and low?


There was this training video where Koji Matsushita instructed Miuchi Kentaro in defensive game (and three other players in offensive game and strategy). And in that video Kentaro also practiced this kind of fishing stroke to maximize side spin effect (I think). Does anyone know where to find it?
Author:  Retriever [ 28 Sep 2013, 14:09 ]
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MNNB asked: How far from the table do you play on average?


Hi MNNB,

The faster the opponent hits the ball (also more top spin), the further back I go. I seem to have pretty good spacial awareness, so while I often reach over a barrier I have never actually run into one. I am often halfway back to the back of the court & occasionally as far back as can be done. This doesn't mean that I don't play over the table shots though.
Author:  Oskar [ 28 Sep 2013, 18:36 ]
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Seems like fishing is a big part of retrieving.
Author:  LordCope [ 04 Aug 2014, 19:59 ]
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I've seen this fishing shot mentioned a number of times but I don't actually know what it means. How is the shot performed? Does anyone have a video showing the shot?
Author:  Retriever [ 05 Aug 2014, 07:48 ]
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LordCope wrote:
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I've seen this fishing shot mentioned a number of times but I don't actually know what it means. How is the shot performed? Does anyone have a video showing the shot?


Sorry I don't have a video to show you, but typically it is a lob from fairly far away from the table with top spin to help it go back. Basically it is a way to stay in the point while waiting for the attacker to miss or play a weak shot or for you to put in one with different spin (or no spin :) ), ie hooking the attacker.
Author:  Obi-wan [ 06 Aug 2014, 04:24 ]
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This term Retriever bugs me a bit.
Every table tennis player tries to put every stroke on the table and to retrieve every ball.
This is the point of the game. And to enjoy in the process.
So why calling some players Retrievers?
Author:  Retriever [ 06 Aug 2014, 08:04 ]
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Obi-wan wrote
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...So why calling some players Retrievers?


Because what they do isn't (always) trying to put the ball away. They aren't simply chopping, classic defending or modern defending. They aren't simply blocking. They are making the other player play that extra shot but making it either as tough as possible or lulling them into a false sense of security. Retrieving is quite adaptive (at least mine is). If chopping works, I chop. If blocking works I block. If rolling top spin works, I do that. If fishing works, I fish. People have described my game in a number of ways:
"This isn't table tennis" usually muttered under the breath
"still playing your pernicious game I see"
"not playing the same shot twice" (mind you I do, but unconventionally)

When all someone knows how to do is loop or smash a particular ball, do I try to give them that particular ball? No. I give them something that looks like that particular ball, or I give them anything other than that particular ball. They feel more and more pressure as the ball keeps coming back to them and they become hesitant because they are missing their go to shots.

I remember playing one young guy who could have looped me off the table - and did for the first two games we played. I worked out that if I put the ball into his right hip, spinning in towards the body, it stuffed him up. His older team mate who could see what I was doing tried to give him advice at the end of the third and fourth games, but to no avail, as his B game was playing even more into my strengths. Even so, when he saw the ball coming, supposedly into his hitting zone, he could not or would not change his style and became ever more tentative which made his shots more the poorer Suffice to say I won 3-2, fairly comfortably in the fifth game.

PRW here has played me and seen me play Sharad Pandit (he umpired). He may or may not chime in. His comments are in the 1st 2 pages of my currently neglected blog in the blog section "Retrieving not chopping". Often I am called a chopper but that is not really one of my real strengths.
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