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PostPosted: 30 Oct 2013, 05:10 
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I tend to chop more comfortably on the FH than the BH. My BH chop feels a bit rushed, tucked up and scoopy. I haven't seen myself, but I feel as if my action tends to be in front of my body, whereas I think other players seem to stand more side on, and play the shot beside the body.

I appreciate it's hard to explain in words, but could we try to characterise what good form looks like, and some ideas around positioning, footwork, and making shape to play the chop correctly? Some good videos of excellent form would be super too.


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Look up "Joo Se Hyuk". He's probably the best chopper in the world right now. He has VERY smooth form.

Chopping takes a lot of experimentation, depending on equipment, where you hit the ball (When it is higher or near the ground), etc....Chopping is not an intuitive shot, in my opinion. It has to be drilled in.

Make sure you're putting enough motion into it! Especially once you get farther off the table. If the ball is going long, try to graze it more than directly hit it.

These are some thoughts from a fellow developing chopper, so take them with a grain of salt :D

I'll let some other, more experienced people comment here....

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Look up "Joo Se Hyuk". He's probably the best chopper in the world right now. He has VERY smooth form.


Yep, I see in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gatqZi2bm7E

He does exactly what I mean - he makes room by moving his left foot back and giving space for a long stroke.

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I recall an instructional video by Koji Matsushita, where he stressed an important detail with footwork for chopping: Start movement from the "inner leg". As far as I could tell, it means that when you move to backhand, the right foot moves first. Going to forehand you move left foot first. I tried (opposite foot for me, as I am lefthanded, but the principle is of course the same), and it felt unnatural at first. Much to my surprise, I found that I was more often in position for the chop when I focused on that leg movement.

I have never been much of a chopper, so in that particular case other variables may have come into play. I have tried to look for this in defenders (Matsushita and Joo Saehyuk, among others), but it is really hard to tell which foot moves first, even when stepping one frame at a time.
Also, I haven't found that video again, but I am pretty sure that I saw it on Youtube at one time.

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Are we talking about backhand inverted chop or LP chop? Because this post is in the section "inverted chopping". Neither JSH or Koji Matsushita chop with inverted in BH...

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I have been using inverted rubbers, so I put it in here.

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I see what you mean now. And my answer is that if your body is sideways, making room for the stroke, then the chop will probably be better than if you took it in front of your body. You just have more room for arm movement.

Sometimes it's hard to get there though :D

Keme had a good point on the footwork. For me the hardest thing is transitioning from a FH loop to a BH chop.

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even if you get stuck too close to the ball or table, your upper body and hips have the option to rotate away and then back into the ball giving you control, balance and power as well...

every chop should involve this.


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even if you get stuck too close to the ball or table, your upper body and hips have the option to rotate away and then back into the ball giving you control, balance and power as well...

every chop should involve this.


Hey Leatherback! It's good to see you here again :-)

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I was being mindful of my positioning last night, and keeping in mind the inner leg advice. I was aware, and my opponent commented that my BH chops were in front of my body. His comment was that his meant they popped up, and I didn't have much room for a full chop, so couldn't impart much spin. I did try to move the right foot and then left foot, and then chop the ball *beside* my body, rather than in front of. I still need a lot of practice at this.

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Aha! Good spot. Fixed!

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leatherback wrote:
even if you get stuck too close to the ball or table, your upper body and hips have the option to rotate away and then back into the ball giving you control, balance and power as well...

every chop should involve this.


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doing good! how about yourself?!

its progressing slowly, lots of barriers but slowly tearing them down.

haven't posted in a LOOOONG time haha


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