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JulianTT wrote:
4. Boosting
Players developed different rituals, like "priming" new rubbers with X layers of glue which was said to soften the sponge permanently, then re-apply a number of layers before each session. The speed-glue effect lasted a few days and it was strongest in the first few hours.


My recollection of the time (around 1998-2000) was that the effect ONLY lasted about 2 hours. After that you had to reglue. The rubber was constantly changing over time. And after you were done playing, you'd have to remove the rubber from the blade, because it would shrink (much like modern Tensoroids shrink as the factory boosting wears off) and people thought you'd hurt the rubber if you allowed it to remain stuck to the blade after it shrunk. I wasn't around when the Chinese were using "low VOC" speed glues (such as Haifu Whale), maybe these did last a few days.

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T2 Diamond is another league that is very big in Asia and they have different rules from the ITTF - for example they allow other color rubbers than red and black. Romanian player Bernadette Socz used a pink rubber there recently :) Also recreational players and clubs are probably not affiliated to the ITTF. Even in competitions, the rackets are not normally inspected until a serious level.


Er, T2 (lately "Diamond") isn't for us.. it's just for a small number of pro players who are invited to participate. Not exactly sure what you're trying to get at here - do they allow boosting? :lol: By the way the more-than-2-color rule is coming - it was voted in, and was supposed to come into effect "after the Olympics" (which, if it had happened, would mean it's already in effect). Bernie Szocs's pink rubber made it's appearance just about when the announcement was made. As a matter of fact, if you look in the new Electronic LARC (eLARC :lol: ):

https://equipments.ittf.com/#/equipment ... _coverings

you'll see there's a column for "Color". All rubbers listed so far are listed as having "2 colors" (Red and Black, of course) but this tells me they're getting ready for more than two colors for rubber.

Don't know about speed glue use where you live, but when I visited a table tennis shop in Bandung, they were selling bottles (plastic PET bottles, like you'd find filled with mineral water) of someone's home-made speed glue. This was honest-to-goodness high VOC speed glue, not that namby-pamby low-VOC speed glue the Chinese were selling (e.g. Haifu Dolphin or Whale, which one could apparently still get on AliExpress a couple years ago). So apparently someone DOES still use the stuff, and it's probably not just the odd rec player.

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Thanks for the overview. You are missing one variant, the Nittaku Hurricane 3 (without Pro).
The German Nittaku page says it is has a "Japanese Powersponge", Chinese topsheet (obviously), glued together in China.
https://nittaku.tt/collections/noppen-i ... urricane-3


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You'll also see that the Nittaku H3 Pro (24-037) has a different number than non-Pro Nittaku H3 (24-035)! (There's also Nittaku H2 (24-036) and H2 Pro (24-038) as well, with separate numbers - has anyone ever SEEN them?) Theoretically this means they COULD be totally different topsheets, since they were submitted for registration separately from regular H3, and the Pro topsheet COULD be totally different than the non-Pro. Who knows... until someone dissects, photographs and tests them we'll NEVER know.


From the product description: "The Nittaku Hurricane Pro 3 Turbo Orange uses the topsheet from the iconic DHS Hurricane 3 combined with a new type of Japanese sponge." So the topsheet is the same which also makes the most sense commercially. I believe that the different entries in LARC are simply because of the different product names written on the rubber. Just like there are separate entries for Stiga Mantra S, M and H in spite of them sharing the same topsheet.


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Thanks JulianTT!

This is an awesome thread, and should answer most of the questions people ever have, plus much more. :clap: :clap: :clap:

I've sticked the thread, so it will stay near the top.

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JulianTT wrote:
iskandar taib wrote:
You'll also see that the Nittaku H3 Pro (24-037) has a different number than non-Pro Nittaku H3 (24-035)! (There's also Nittaku H2 (24-036) and H2 Pro (24-038) as well, with separate numbers - has anyone ever SEEN them?) Theoretically this means they COULD be totally different topsheets, since they were submitted for registration separately from regular H3, and the Pro topsheet COULD be totally different than the non-Pro. Who knows... until someone dissects, photographs and tests them we'll NEVER know.


From the product description: "The Nittaku Hurricane Pro 3 Turbo Orange uses the topsheet from the iconic DHS Hurricane 3 combined with a new type of Japanese sponge." So the topsheet is the same which also makes the most sense commercially. I believe that the different entries in LARC are simply because of the different product names written on the rubber. Just like there are separate entries for Stiga Mantra S, M and H in spite of them sharing the same topsheet.


Yes, in all likelihood the topsheets are physically the same. But they don't legally have to be. I suppose you could also make the same case for Tenergy 05 and Tenergy 05 Hard to have the same topsheet, but it would be completely legal if Butterfly was also selling a harder topsheet on the 05 Hard. Or one with slightly lower pips. And they don't have to tell anyone, either.

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From what I’ve heard the Neo topsheets are less tacky than the regular non-Neo topsheets. I’ve seen comparisons where someone can pickup the ball with H3 just by touching the top of the ball with the rubber and having it stick for a second, then they try the same thing with Neo and can’t do it.


I’ve only used Neo so I can’t confirm. Just wondering what everyone else thinks.


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The couple of sheets of H3 I had were quite tacky to begin with (though no more tacky than, say, CJ8000 or Corbor - especially Corbor, which was really clingy..) but fairly quickly lost tack with use. Especially when you've boosted it. People say the slow feel of H3 is due to the tack - maybe it is, but I noticed it still behaved the same way (drop a ball on the racket and it would pretty much just die there rather than bounce off) even after the tack had gone away.

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Here is the video I’m talking about. The infamous “tackiness test” starts at the 4:20 mark. Opinions?


https://youtu.be/G5BNkWN9s1E


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BryanY wrote:
From what I’ve heard the Neo topsheets are less tacky than the regular non-Neo topsheets. I’ve seen comparisons where someone can pickup the ball with H3 just by touching the top of the ball with the rubber and having it stick for a second, then they try the same thing with Neo and can’t do it.


I’ve only used Neo so I can’t confirm. Just wondering what everyone else thinks.


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No difference in tackiness. The video that you posted shows the same.

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09:19 MST 21.10.2020

Dear Friends, gals and guyes,
I feel it somewhat incumbent on myself to tell people the whole truth about table tennis rubbers, whether good or bad ones.

To begin with, ALL the tacky rubbers are sucking badly. This is a matter of fact every Advanced Coach aware of. Don't take it from me, take it from the renowned coach of Japan Teisuke Matsudzaki who is known to purposely using some of tacky rubbers as a training aid, to better develop MIMA Ito's muscular power... Yes, she employed Nittaku H3 a lot for training sessions, yet she never used H3 rubbers for playing real competitions, not her.
-- this funny Tacky rubber sucks badly as being dull and slugish, yet it is good enough as a training tool.
Ito MIMA told smirking.



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Iguana wrote:
Thanks for the overview. You are missing one variant, the Nittaku Hurricane 3 (without Pro).
The German Nittaku page says it is has a "Japanese Powersponge", Chinese topsheet (obviously), glued together in China.
https://nittaku.tt/collections/noppen-i ... urricane-3
Thank you for sharing. Actually that rubber has been discontinued which is why I didn't list it. I believe it's a predecessor of the Turbo rubbers.

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Alex (haggisv) confirmed that DHS is now marketing National H3 Player Edition rubbers so I added that category. I also started on the FAQ. Let me know if you have questions.


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