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Hello,
how should i start.
I played very good Games with Donic waldner allplay with xiom vega europe 1.8 on both sides and infinity mark v.
Well but yeah i thought a faster blade like viscaria with bluefire m3 oder vega pro would be better but no it is not good xD

So i thought 729 Bloom power and battle 2 on an allplay.
Would this be fast enough.
Or is this combo as fast as one of the combis above?

regards

It will be faster with the right stroke.

Also a lot havier!

I recommend only one chinese rubber on your blade. I would go for the Battle II. It's more the same like an european rubber. Care cause it have 2 brake in a bit.

Greetings

Hi,

Hi recommend tacky Chinese rubbers on both side, if you're still developing technique...

I've said this before, and say this again ... I feel tacky Chinese rubbers help develop technique ... here's my logic (copy/pasted from another thread, I'd posted it on ... I'm too lazy to type it again)

Here's what I feel, based on my experience with a few Chinese Tacky rubbers (especially ones by 729, Globe, and then DHS), especially, ones from the pre-40mm and plastic ball era...

A lot of the tradition Chinese tacky rubbers have a low-throw, are spin-sensitive, tend to be hard'ish, the ball does not sink in much, are on the heavier side...Hence, the combination of these factors, makes these rubbers, sort-of, less forgiving, and more demanding (compared to beginner-level Euro/Jap rubbers) , from a technique aspect. Take looping, for instance - Since the ball does not sink into the rubber as much (compared to Euro/Jap style rubbers), and since the rubbers tend to have a low-throw, a player, may be forced to loop with a proper brushing action...and if the brushing action is proper, I feel, the quality of the loop is better, generally speaking.... Where I am, most coaches, emphasize of proper brushing action, for loops...

Another advantage of using tacky rubbers, for beginners, is service receive .. Since they tend to be sensitive to spin, receiving serves requires more technique. This same spin-sensitivity, make it harder to lift-backpsin, without proper technique... These rubbers, also tend to be rather spinny..

Chinese rubbers are also recommended for learning/improving/playing a short-game...

So, to me, the very fact that these rubbers can be rather un-forgiving, if the technique is not correct, makes them a good choice, for someone still learning the ropes..

I'm not saying that it's impossible to learn with Euro/Jap rubbers... The above is just based on my personal experience...

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Setup 1 : Donic Defplay Senso V3 Blade • Palio AK-47 Blue Max (Black) • Yinhe Neptune 0.6mm (Red)
Setup 2 : GKI Euro XX Blade • Xiom Vega Europe Max (Black) • Bomb Talent OX (Red)
Setup 3 : XVT Hinoki Balsa Carbon Blade • 729 Focus III Snipe 40° Max (Black) • Dawei 388D-1 OX (Red)
Setup 4 : XVT Black Knight 7 Blade • Palio Ak-47 Red Max 45° - 47° Max (Black) • Dawei 388D OX (Red)
Setup 5 : Butterfly Joyner-H Blade (Black Metal Tag) • Palio AK-47 Yellow Max (Black) • Yasaka Mark V Max (Red)
Setup 6 : 729 C-5 Blade • Reactor Corbor Max (Black) • Palio CK531A 0.6mm (Red)

Very interesting points ootbs!

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Classical Chinese rubbers are usually slow and definitely luck catapult -- the ideal kind of rubber for control. Hard sponge make them less spin sensitive then any softer inverted rubber.

ootbs has some very well made points that make sense.

For me, the exception to this rule is beginner / intermediate adults. Not so much based on skill but I'm talking the ones who have played for quite a number of years, have no desire to learn proper technique and are still in the lower grades with no real prospect of going much higher without more commitment. They enjoy playing each week and sometimes want to spend a bit on a nice new bat.

Our club is full of these players and although the reality is that it probably doesn't make much difference what bat combo they use, I do think that a softer more forgiving sponge can be really helpful. It may mean an intro tensor or maybe something like XP Pro from the chinese range. Add to that, sometimes a new bat in itself can provide a boost, especially if its what the 'good' players use.

I'd always stick to a slower blade for these players, something ALL to Off-.

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i concur with ootbs that tacky chinese rubber helps improve your technique

ever since i changed my sriver L to friendship 729 (blue packet version with the FX topsheet) back in june i felt like my forehand has become better than before

my forehand style went from weird (forearm only, upwards instead of diagonal motion) to conventional (rotation of body and diagonal motion)

kinda forced to do so because what weird loops i could do with my sriver L i couldn't do with the 729 lol

my times with the 729 from july till now was frustrating (still is) but you will never learn without a bit of pain

Watch the video:

viewtopic.php?f=9&p=373780#p373770

Iskandar

I too agree with Ootbs. Learn to generate power and speed with your body (power from the ground up) and you’ll be better off in the long run. There are so many benefits to it!