OOAK Table Tennis Forum

So im using it for like 2 months now in my FH, strange rubber. I dnt chop a lot so i cant realy tell how it chops. Where it realy shines is BLOCK, it does miracles in block. Where it sucks (my all wood blade dsnt help here either) is the top spin in a chopped ball. It is excelent for the hits and im still trying to understand where is that spin that everyone mentions.

Pushing aint bad .

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CORNILLEAU Gatien Glory OFF Rosewood
FH:Victas 401 2.0mm
BH:TSP Spectol Speed Sponge 1.7-1.9mm

Strange you're using a FH rubber that's garbage for two months. Do you like to torment yourself?

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actually i love the security that gives me in blocks, especially when off balance or not in the ideal position.Is the best blocking rubber i have ever use.

Plus aint bad either in service reception (my biggest disadvantage) so i give this tricky F*** some times.

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CORNILLEAU Gatien Glory OFF Rosewood
FH:Victas 401 2.0mm
BH:TSP Spectol Speed Sponge 1.7-1.9mm

I can't quite understand how you're not getting high spin on loops, because it's one of the spinniest rubbers around. Brush looping gives you the most spin, but even if I loop it more euro-style, I still get loads of spin.

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Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
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To be honest, i also found 401 quite unspinny overall, meaning that in order to obtain the same spin of, let's say, bluefire-vega-baracuda... you have to use much more force, both on cuts and loops.
Great control tough...

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My Paddle
Blade: Butterfly Defence III ST
FH: Baracuda 2.0 (red)
BH: Curl p1-r 1.5 (black)

I certainly don't doubt your opinion, but it must come down to the different strokes, because I've tried some of these rubbers, and for me, the 401 leaves it for dead when it comes to spin, and I'm not the only one in our region that uses this rubber for it's high spin. Perhaps the blade makes a difference too?

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Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
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I don't know, of course it depends from different strokes, but you may also be right about the blades... i tried it on VKM, maybe it works better with harder blades?
I don't really know... I sold mine to a blocker that uses it on the BH and it helped his game quite a bit

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My Paddle
Blade: Butterfly Defence III ST
FH: Baracuda 2.0 (red)
BH: Curl p1-r 1.5 (black)

I use the CORNILLEAU Gatien Glory OFF Rosewood so maybe it dsnt give a lot of impact time to load spin(together with my crap technique)

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CORNILLEAU Gatien Glory OFF Rosewood
FH:Victas 401 2.0mm
BH:TSP Spectol Speed Sponge 1.7-1.9mm

Hi.
What thickness of VS>401 do You recommend form me? I play VKM+Curl P1R 1mm and actually Hexer Powersponge 2.1 which is very hard to chop with. I mainly defend with both sides, chop in every distance, if my opponent makes mistake I sometimes try to loop or smash. I think about 2mm and 1.8mm. Do you think 1.8 is enough to make loops, mainly near the table? Won't it be too slowly? On the other hand 2.0 could be too fast to chop with.

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Butterfly Timo Boll Spirit
FH: DHS Hurricane 3 No.22 Blue Sponge 2.15 41d
BH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 max

I use the 401 in 1.8mm, but on a balsa blade, which has a very soft and springy feel, so I found 2.0mm a little had to control. The VKM does not have such a soft and springy feel at all, so I would suspect on this blade the 2.0mm would give you enough control for chopping, and give you decent attack potential. It's an educated guess though, I have not tried it.

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Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
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I ave used 2.0, 1.8 and 1.5 on a VKM. To me 2.0 was too heavy and that was the main reason for trying thinner. 1.8 is the perfect middle way. You can loop almost as good as with 2.0 (1.5 is not even close in this aspect I think) and you can chop almost as good as with 1.5 mm. 1.8 is much better for chopping than 2.0. Only problem I had was blocking and counter looping, but that has more to do with the rubber than the thickness. For you 1.8 or 1.5 would be the best. Start with 1.8.

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Getting better - health and game | Def-attack's attempts to find balance between defence/attack

Since Def-attack has actually tried it on a VKM, I'd trust his recommendation better than mine,

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Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
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I read the same opinion as Def-attack's one. That's why i think about 1.8. Do you think it will be very slowlier than Hexer Powersponge 2.1? I don't have to kill by loops, just attack after opponent mistakes If it will be possible to do loops near the table it will be enough speed for me. I almost never loop further than 1-2 metres from table
On the other hand my VKM is only 83g weight, so lighter and slower than the heavier ones

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Butterfly Timo Boll Spirit
FH: DHS Hurricane 3 No.22 Blue Sponge 2.15 41d
BH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 max

I have never tried Hexer Powesponge...

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Getting better - health and game | Def-attack's attempts to find balance between defence/attack

Def-attack, I found your YouTube and watched some videos. I definitely chop more often than you. I'll buy the 1.8 VS>401. If it will be too slowly I will buy 2.0 next time Thanks for help.

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Butterfly Timo Boll Spirit
FH: DHS Hurricane 3 No.22 Blue Sponge 2.15 41d
BH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 max