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PostPosted: 10 Oct 2019, 02:54 
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Can anyone compare this long pimple to Kamikaze?


Just saw this. I've used both rubbers. They both generate a very low trajectory, good dampening effect and good spin reversal on blocks. The Elite Long, despite having similar passive spin reversal to the Kamikaze, is able to generate more of its own spin, and so it's very good for attacking (and also creating all sorts of funky effects if you use your wrist on contact during blocks). For long-distance chopping, the Kamikaze is easier to use (you can put pretty much anything back on the table), but the Elite Long generates heavier underspin on chops once you get the hang of it.

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TraditionalTradesman wrote:
Gzubik wrote:
Can anyone compare this long pimple to Kamikaze?


Just saw this. I've used both rubbers. They both generate a very low trajectory, good dampening effect and good spin reversal on blocks. The Elite Long, despite having similar passive spin reversal to the Kamikaze, is able to generate more of its own spin, and so it's very good for attacking (and also creating all sorts of funky effects if you use your wrist on contact during blocks). For long-distance chopping, the Kamikaze is easier to use (you can put pretty much anything back on the table), but the Elite Long generates heavier underspin on chops once you get the hang of it.
How a speed and spin sensetive?

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PostPosted: 11 Oct 2019, 03:42 
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Gzubik wrote:
How a speed and spin sensetive?


Not very sensitive to spin, I'd say. Maybe Kamikaze is even less spin-sensitive, but I'm not even sure about that; they seem similar.

As for speed, I'd say it's a bit faster than Kamikaze, but again, not a huge difference.

If you're asking how sensitive to the opponent's speed it is, I'd say, again, maybe slightly more sensitive than the Kamikaze. If you're blocking passively against a topspin drive, you need to catch the ball right off the bounce to prevent it from shooting up, but that's usually the case with any LP.

Overall, however, I'd say that the Elite Long and Kamikaze are similar enough. I think the Elite Long is better at higher levels, in that the Kamikaze is better if your goal is to play a largely passive game where you put the ball back on the table (with some spin reversal on blocks and some underspin on chops) more times than your opponent, but the Elite Long is better if you intend to attack or vary the spin more or chop with heavier underspin.

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TraditionalTradesman wrote:
Gzubik wrote:
How a speed and spin sensetive?


Not very sensitive to spin, I'd say. Maybe Kamikaze is even less spin-sensitive, but I'm not even sure about that; they seem similar.

As for speed, I'd say it's a bit faster than Kamikaze, but again, not a huge difference.

If you're asking how sensitive to the opponent's speed it is, I'd say, again, maybe slightly more sensitive than the Kamikaze. If you're blocking passively against a topspin drive, you need to catch the ball right off the bounce to prevent it from shooting up, but that's usually the case with any LP.

Overall, however, I'd say that the Elite Long and Kamikaze are similar enough. I think the Elite Long is better at higher levels, in that the Kamikaze is better if your goal is to play a largely passive game where you put the ball back on the table (with some spin reversal on blocks and some underspin on chops) more times than your opponent, but the Elite Long is better if you intend to attack or vary the spin more or chop with heavier underspin.


Would you say Kamikaze is better than DG? ..... What are the advantages of Kamikaze over DG ?


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Would you say Kamikaze is better than DG? ..... What are the advantages of Kamikaze over DG ?


I tried the Dornenglanz only briefly back during the celluloid ball era, found (as many others did) that the pips broke too quickly, and also thought that the rubber was safe and effective but also too predictable (good for blocking loops with some reversal but not for a more dynamic pips game with spin variation) and gave up on it, so it's hard for me to compare these two (especially because I have no idea how DG plays with the plastic ball ... though I gather from people's comments that it still works well. I'd say that the Kamikaze is in the same general direction as DG, but if DG is working for you, you probably don't have any compelling reason to switch unless you have the issue of DG's pips breaking.

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TraditionalTradesman wrote:
charmander defender wrote:
Would you say Kamikaze is better than DG? ..... What are the advantages of Kamikaze over DG ?


I tried the Dornenglanz only briefly back during the celluloid ball era, found (as many others did) that the pips broke too quickly, and also thought that the rubber was safe and effective but also too predictable (good for blocking loops with some reversal but not for a more dynamic pips game with spin variation) and gave up on it, so it's hard for me to compare these two (especially because I have no idea how DG plays with the plastic ball ... though I gather from people's comments that it still works well. I'd say that the Kamikaze is in the same general direction as DG, but if DG is working for you, you probably don't have any compelling reason to switch unless you have the issue of DG's pips breaking.


Thanks ! :) . I was just curious about its performance.Also, another famous pip is Hellfire but some people say it does not work ok with the new ball .

It also seems that some sheets are faster than others.


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I've returned to Dr Neubauer Troublemaker OX. I found DMS ELITE LONG was easier for opponents to play against, and harder for me to control the rally. TM is also more effective at serving. Yes, ELITE LONG hits and chops well, but for me at least, this came at too high a price. I will add that ELITE LONG appears to be extremely durable.


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I was wondering how it was going for you, thanks for posting your update!

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nathanso wrote:
I've returned to Dr Neubauer Troublemaker OX. I found DMS ELITE LONG was easier for opponents to play against, and harder for me to control the rally. TM is also more effective at serving. Yes, ELITE LONG hits and chops well, but for me at least, this came at too high a price. I will add that ELITE LONG appears to be extremely durable.


I'll put in a second word for "extremely durable." No issues with broken pips after a bunch of months. I think the Elite Long requires playing a bit more actively than the Troublemaker, but it also creates, in my estimation, more problems for higher-level opponents when played at its best.

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IV. Sauer & Troger Firestarter; FH: Yasaka Rakza 7 Soft 1.8mm; BH: Joola Badman Reloaded OX
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