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PostPosted: 12 Oct 2017, 01:51 
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Here is our (german) review of the Sauer & Tröger Zargus:

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Could someone who understands German and/or has played with Haas or zargus give a short summary of how these two rubbers compare.

I'm looking for a short pip for my bachhand that is a bit slower than Waran i.e easier to passive block topspin but still with a good level of spin and disruptive effect. Also need to be able to push and chop block well.


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Zargus 1.8:
Firstly I have to say that I wasn't expecting much from this rubber. But I admit that I was very pleasantly surprised.
What I'm looking for is a rubber for my forehand with a low throw, which allows me to perform hard smashes and on certain occasions allow me to lift the ball, consistency for a good block on the table with some disruption and some grip for the service. .
I don't like tension pips because they make short play and smash difficult against undercut balls like Rakza PO, DTecs, Joola Express ultra, Nittaku Moristo. In my opinion I think this last type of rubber is to go from inverted to pips.

Well this rubber has medium soft sponge and a hard surface and grippy. The pips are conical, similar in size and spacing to RITC 802.

I have tried it for 3 days and these have been my feelings:
I feel like it's a pretty hard rubber, despite the soft sponge.
Blocking this rubber shines, consistently, with a low throw and you can easily observe the disruption when your opponents send the ball to net.
Performing pseudo topspins, I don't understand how but it works. You can easily lift undercuts balls, and perform topspins close to the table to pass the smash, obviously mid-range is a problem (that's what inverted rubbers are for).
Smashing it is very very good, it has good power with a low throw, helping the hard feeling. I feel a bit fast in 1.8 so I will ask for a new one in 1.5.

What has surprised me the most is that for the disruption that this rubber has, with this rubber you can perform very good services generating great spin in them.

About the insensitivity to spin and passive blows, I can't say much since I use my forehand only to attack and I don't usually do passive shots.

I will continue for the moment with this one, it seemed great to me.
The rubbers that I have used lately for the forehand have been: Palio Flying Dragon, Yinhe Uranusy Waran 2

Great work from Sauer & Troger


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malasombra77 wrote:
Zargus 1.8:
Firstly I have to say that I wasn't expecting much from this rubber. But I admit that I was very pleasantly surprised.
What I'm looking for is a rubber for my forehand with a low throw, which allows me to perform hard smashes and on certain occasions allow me to lift the ball, consistency for a good block on the table with some disruption and some grip for the service. .
I don't like tension pips because they make short play and smash difficult against undercut balls like Rakza PO, DTecs, Joola Express ultra, Nittaku Moristo. In my opinion I think this last type of rubber is to go from inverted to pips.

Well this rubber has medium soft sponge and a hard surface and grippy. The pips are conical, similar in size and spacing to RITC 802.

I have tried it for 3 days and these have been my feelings:
I feel like it's a pretty hard rubber, despite the soft sponge.
Blocking this rubber shines, consistently, with a low throw and you can easily observe the disruption when your opponents send the ball to net.
Performing pseudo topspins, I don't understand how but it works. You can easily lift undercuts balls, and perform topspins close to the table to pass the smash, obviously mid-range is a problem (that's what inverted rubbers are for).
Smashing it is very very good, it has good power with a low throw, helping the hard feeling. I feel a bit fast in 1.8 so I will ask for a new one in 1.5.

What has surprised me the most is that for the disruption that this rubber has, with this rubber you can perform very good services generating great spin in them.

About the insensitivity to spin and passive blows, I can't say much since I use my forehand only to attack and I don't usually do passive shots.

I will continue for the moment with this one, it seemed great to me.
The rubbers that I have used lately for the forehand have been: Palio Flying Dragon, Yinhe Uranusy Waran 2

Great work from Sauer & Troger


Hi there, What you wrote made me think it might be similar to the Flying Dragon, how would you compare the 2?


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Of course, my favorite rubber is Flying Dragon, due to its grippy surface and hard sponge and it has no tension effect.
Both Flying Dragon and Zargus have a grippy surface.
And although the Zargus sponge is soft, the feeling when playing is hard.
In both rubbers the pips have notches.
The pips on the zargus are conical while on the Flying Dragon they are straight.

My feeling playing is that Zargus is better for blocking both passively and actively, Zargus clearly has more disruption effect.
Serving both they are capable of generating good spin, perhaps Flying dragon has a little more spin.

Zargus in 1.8 is faster than Flying Dragon in 2.0 mm.

Lifting undercuts balls with topspin is a little easier with Zargus, but both are well behaved.

For smash, Flying Dragon is better because it is a little slower and allows gravity to act more.

Durability !!! Palio Flying Dragon is a shame on this. The sponge separates from the surface very easily. And from time to time you lose a pip.

I have ordered a Zargus in 1.5, I'll tell you how it goes.

Do you know any other rubber similar to Flying Dragon?


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malasombra77 wrote:
Zargus 1.8:
Firstly I have to say that I wasn't expecting much from this rubber. But I admit that I was very pleasantly surprised.
What I'm looking for is a rubber for my forehand with a low throw, which allows me to perform hard smashes and on certain occasions allow me to lift the ball, consistency for a good block on the table with some disruption and some grip for the service. .
I don't like tension pips because they make short play and smash difficult against undercut balls like Rakza PO, DTecs, Joola Express ultra, Nittaku Moristo. In my opinion I think this last type of rubber is to go from inverted to pips.

Well this rubber has medium soft sponge and a hard surface and grippy. The pips are conical, similar in size and spacing to RITC 802.

I have tried it for 3 days and these have been my feelings:
I feel like it's a pretty hard rubber, despite the soft sponge.
Blocking this rubber shines, consistently, with a low throw and you can easily observe the disruption when your opponents send the ball to net.
Performing pseudo topspins, I don't understand how but it works. You can easily lift undercuts balls, and perform topspins close to the table to pass the smash, obviously mid-range is a problem (that's what inverted rubbers are for).
Smashing it is very very good, it has good power with a low throw, helping the hard feeling. I feel a bit fast in 1.8 so I will ask for a new one in 1.5.

What has surprised me the most is that for the disruption that this rubber has, with this rubber you can perform very good services generating great spin in them.

About the insensitivity to spin and passive blows, I can't say much since I use my forehand only to attack and I don't usually do passive shots.

I will continue for the moment with this one, it seemed great to me.
The rubbers that I have used lately for the forehand have been: Palio Flying Dragon, Yinhe Uranusy Waran 2

Great work from Sauer & Troger


So its similar to 802? How about the durability of zargus?
I read that zargus is like waran?


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malasombra77 wrote:
Of course, my favorite rubber is Flying Dragon, due to its grippy surface and hard sponge and it has no tension effect.
Both Flying Dragon and Zargus have a grippy surface.
And although the Zargus sponge is soft, the feeling when playing is hard.
In both rubbers the pips have notches.
The pips on the zargus are conical while on the Flying Dragon they are straight.

My feeling playing is that Zargus is better for blocking both passively and actively, Zargus clearly has more disruption effect.
Serving both they are capable of generating good spin, perhaps Flying dragon has a little more spin.

Zargus in 1.8 is faster than Flying Dragon in 2.0 mm.

Lifting undercuts balls with topspin is a little easier with Zargus, but both are well behaved.

For smash, Flying Dragon is better because it is a little slower and allows gravity to act more.

Durability !!! Palio Flying Dragon is a shame on this. The sponge separates from the surface very easily. And from time to time you lose a pip.

I have ordered a Zargus in 1.5, I'll tell you how it goes.

Do you know any other rubber similar to Flying Dragon?


There are some (remote) similarities to DHS Sharping, but I prefer the Flying Dragon.


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I have only played with 6 days. But it seems to have better durability than the Palio flying Dragon.
IMO the touch of Waran is much softer and a little slower and with a clearly less spin(Waran 2 is closer to Zargus).
802 has less spin but a much greater arc than Zargus.


Have you tried Sharping 2?


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malasombra77 wrote:
I have only played with 6 days. But it seems to have better durability than the Palio flying Dragon.
IMO the touch of Waran is much softer and a little slower and with a clearly less spin(Waran 2 is closer to Zargus).
802 has less spin but a much greater arc than Zargus.


Have you tried Sharping 2?


No, but there s 802 SP new version and the latest generation spectols series S

Waran 2 felt dead to me ,how is zargus? More lively?


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Do you know where we can find more information on them ? Also do you know when they are coming out ?

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Rinforzando wrote:
Do you know where we can find more information on them ? Also do you know when they are coming out ?


I want to know that too, there are new spectol and spinpips versions too.


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