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PostPosted: 16 Jul 2017, 04:43 
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The point is you can avoid the "elbow" problem by using traditional backhand to cover the middle (very important for blocking fast balls, makes it easier to block a hard shot to the body if you don't have to flip the bat around). This is one of the big advantages that penhold has over shakehands. You do then have a "left hip" problem (transition between traditional and RPB towards the opposite hip) but it'll be a lot less critical since you're using the RPB for loops rather than fast off-the-table blocks.

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iskandar taib wrote:
The point is you can avoid the "elbow" problem by using traditional backhand to cover the middle (very important for blocking fast balls, makes it easier to block a hard shot to the body if you don't have to flip the bat around). This is one of the big advantages that penhold has over shakehands. You do then have a "left hip" problem (transition between traditional and RPB towards the opposite hip) but it'll be a lot less critical since you're using the RPB for loops rather than fast off-the-table blocks.

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The TPB ---> RPB transition happens at the right hip/elbow. At least for me the only time I am desperate to TPB ( its involuntary more of a reflex ) is a smash into my right hip. If anyone smashes to my left hip I can see their racket accelerating for the hit and all I really have to do is take 1 step back and almost squat while swinging up my RPB from down next to my left knee. Doesn't matter what timing, as long as I swing and meet the smashed ball below the table line, and the contact is fully on the rubber then the RPB "carries" the ball over the net with hella' loaded spin and speed. I am simply re-using the opponent's speed and the RPB does the counter-spin and loads HUGE spin in return. This return always looks very slow and casual to Shakehand players but it is very deadly :lol:

And after some help from these here forum members esp. Silver :-D I have developed a similar AGGRESSIVE Kreanga BH smash-drive-loop. IMPOSSIBLE to block or cut or even see :rofl:

The MOST difficult balls are the High Bounce ones, that go up near the shoulder, very difficult to return properly. Usually opponents against C-pen players think that very low BH returns will be HUGE challenge for the C-pen player. It is the opposite, High ball loaded with spin bouncing high, doesn't even have to be superfast, which C-pen players try to BH smack ( not even 50% accuracy shot) or run-around FH smash ( can't even move fast enough to hit it back ).

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man_iii wrote:
The TPB ---> RPB transition happens at the right hip/elbow.


Sound more like a forehand-backhand transition to me and you're covering the middle with RPB.

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iskandar taib wrote:
man_iii wrote:
The TPB ---> RPB transition happens at the right hip/elbow.


Sound more like a forehand-backhand transition to me and you're covering the middle with RPB.

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Exactly ! TPB doesn't have that transition but RPB for sure most definitely does have the FH<->BH cross-over point ! And it is a very very precise spot to attack so your opponent has to be very very good to hit into that box.

If you have TPB you avoid that dilemma, if you have RPB you have to anticipate to cover it without your opponent realising it.

If you have mastered TPB and RPB then your opponent will be totally confused as to what you will play.

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Well, it may or may not be a problem for you against the players you play against but these transition points are exploited heavily by better players. Often with fast serves and quick drives into the elbow. As I said, show me a 2300 level player who plays like this and I'll believe it's a viable style at higher levels of play.

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Exactly! :-) I am not trying to gain rankings but rather I am trying to get my basics correct. That includes figuring out some method of training my TPB. There is no coach available to train C-pen and they mostly refuse to train for no matter how much money you might be willing to spend :lol:

I did learn C-pen + RPB on my own so I am not too upset or worried about developing bad habits :rofl: I have probably too many by now :-D

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I guess it would take a "forced-Wang Hao"
type of player to get this done, I believe (Deep in my heart, not necessarily true) Wang Hao firstly played shakehand with BH dominant style, than he was like

"Shakehand too common, Penhold best"

"Oh, Penhold TPB? Nah, other side racket can be used! (RPB)"

*Preceeds to grind BH RPB*

I personally think penhold is the best, however, let's say if you want to get into a professional team you need an amount of effort

with that same effort, you would only achieve 80% of your way to a pro team.

Then let's say you are now in the same level as an SH player, to improve the same level compared to such, you need to work 2-3x harder, but here's the catch, the max cap for penhold skill is 3-5% higher

I'm just stating my opinions though, I don't exactly know

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