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Yes, I find that Marder really cuts down on the mistakes. The great control allows you to easily distribute the ball around the table with the pips. It handles spin well, blocks great, and counters well. The only weakness may be that it's hard to hit it past people without good placement, but I can deal with that.

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I was using a Dr. Neubauer Matador with Spinlord Dornenglanz OX + MX-P 1.7.
Yesterday I changed the forehand to MX-P MAX.
Well, my control got worse and it seems that the ball was shooting more during the push.
Just one workout but I was dissatisfied.

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NDS + Cluster ox + Tibhar MX-P 1.7
NDS + Woobler ox + Tibhar MX-P 1.7

Spot on!!! also,the change is more dramatic if you go from a soft sponged inverted to a harder sponged one .The harder the sponge , the less control over the pips even though the thickness is the same in both inverted rubbers .

I noticed that fast forehand rubber affects ox pips more on all wood than composite blades.
The effect is accentuated on blades like Defplay Senso where the Basswood centre is very coarse and energy transfer easily occurs,but barely noticeable on TSP Black Balsa 3.0 which has fibreglass next to the balsa central ply and seems to isolate bhand from fhand much better and a great blade for off the bounce blocking and pushing

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Tsp Black Balsa 3.0 Tenergy 05 1.9 388d ox black

Would I have the same problem with a Matador Texa Carbon?

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NDS + Cluster ox + Tibhar MX-P 1.7
NDS + Woobler ox + Tibhar MX-P 1.7

I'm afraid so.I think the problem would be even worse .

I can also confirm that Marder acts as a cushion for the LP in chopping .My P1V in 0.5 is drastically more controllable.When I would block at the table, the dampening effect of Marder's slow sponge benefited the control on the pips.Likewise, it does really help to control the chops with P1V!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The slow speed of Marder can be compensated by adding weight to your blade .

I have a friend who mostly uses his backhand, with OX long pips. On his forehand he has Dr Evil OX hardbat rubber. I think he's currently using a Defplay blade. Is that adding speed to his backhand?

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"The greatest teacher, failure is"
USATT Rating: 1805
Blade: DMS Deluxe Carbon
FH Rubber: Tibhar Evolution MX-P 1.9
BH Rubber: DMS Storkraft 1.6

Absolutely!!!! No cushioning effect whatsoever.....I had a similar setup years ago with DN Terminator and had to stop......

I recently used Degu ox and most of my chops went long ......

Thank you for the advice. I will let him know that he should get a rubber with a soft sponge on his forehand side.

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"The greatest teacher, failure is"
USATT Rating: 1805
Blade: DMS Deluxe Carbon
FH Rubber: Tibhar Evolution MX-P 1.9
BH Rubber: DMS Storkraft 1.6

Yes.The slower,the softer and the thinner , the better to control the pip.Also,the blade has something to say here.

If he really wants to check if this theory is right, tell him to use max sponge either soft or hard and he will realise there is a difference in the speed of the pip too ,especially , if the sponge is a tensor one . A max tensor sponge , even a soft one will always affect the speed of the pip .

Curious, why thinner? Wouldn't thicker soft be better for more cushioning?

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"The greatest teacher, failure is"
USATT Rating: 1805
Blade: DMS Deluxe Carbon
FH Rubber: Tibhar Evolution MX-P 1.9
BH Rubber: DMS Storkraft 1.6

I guess you are used to the dampening sponges for the flantis .The thinner the sponge in Marder, the slower it gets, the slower it gets, the less speed on the pip side.This is the idea behind my theory.

The key here is that the pip won't be out of control due to the FH side.Marder in thicker sponges 1.8/ 2.0 is a tad faster,obviously.1.0 is the slowest version.Hence,the best to control the pip.However,Marder being so slow ,lets you use thicker sponges without the fear of losing control .

This may appear strange but is very true... Recently changed my FH rubber from a fairly hard 1.8mm sponge (old and worn rubber) to a soft 36-38 2.2mm sponge and felt the difference straight away. Pips now appear softer with a lot more control. Lost some of the pips effect but the additional control gained more than compensates for that. Getting to like the softer 2.2mm sponge on the FH too

Yes, I absolutely concur with you.The softness or hardness of the sponge affects the pip speed way more than the thickness.Even for chopping with thin sponge.The harder the sponge,the trickier it is to control the chops .