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 Post subject: Re: LKT Ayous Hinoki?
PostPosted: 30 Mar 2010, 06:14 
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BTW, how's the Tenergy 05 on the wavestone?


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 Post subject: Re: LKT Ayous Hinoki?
PostPosted: 30 Mar 2010, 09:28 
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Maybe it's best to ask hookshot, he used to recommend it to his students, if I remember correctly.

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 Post subject: Re: LKT Ayous Hinoki?
PostPosted: 30 Mar 2010, 13:07 
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I built at least 20 bats for students with the ayous/hinoki. It is one of the best deals out there. It has touch And power. Depends what rubber you use as to the final outcome. I have used it myself and would not hesitate to use it now. With Tenergy, it will be a looping machine! I am using a W-1 (Yinhe) but only because all the lessons and play in China have let me use a more powerfull setup. The Ayous/Hinoki is still one of those super bargains that can do everything. :)


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 Post subject: Re: LKT Ayous Hinoki?
PostPosted: 30 Mar 2010, 17:19 
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From the description and review, it sound similar to the Avalox P500... would be interesting to hear form someone who's tried both...

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 Post subject: Re: LKT Ayous Hinoki?
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I have 4 lkt a/h blades from a few yrs back when i started playing again.
I seldom feel any major vibrations(other than ball feedback-) & mostly when I'm messing around smashing or
happen to get a smash back with a drive or smash my self.
In general though i would say there is a slight vibration on stronger hits,
whether you view this as feedback or not I guess is going to come down to personal preference.
I happen not to mind it on this blade as it allows for good feel. That being said i really don't notice that often
and mostly if i have switched from balsa/tex or 7 ply.
hope this helps

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 Post subject: Re: LKT Ayous Hinoki?
PostPosted: 01 Apr 2010, 12:43 
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So the blade is good. I thus borrowed from someone who just bought but yet to play with it. Following is my brief:
Truly, at the economic price that comes with its playing quality, the blade is worthy, from my point of view. At least more worthy than several much higher cost blades I have in hand. Of course it is not a perfect blade.
I will not write on the physical dimension since these are available easily.
Appearance -The finished work is rough on the external though the overall look is nice. Some sand paper smoothening is required on the edges and the surfaces both sides. I did some heavy smoothing on the lower back edges where I grip with index finger, and the handles portion that my palm grips. Other than that the blade looks ok.
This is ,IMO, a medium hard to soft blade. And by no means stiff. It is slightly “bending” as I hit and loop. Vibration? Not a bit. Probably Hinoki Ayous combo contributes to this effect.
Control- Certainly a good control device. With Globe 999FH and 729 Higher BH, I am able to place shots where I want. Returning opponent heavy side spin serves to one corner and then flick the next return to the other corner giving him no time to recover from first hitting position. Services are easily carried out, whether long or short, side/bottom spin or deceptive direct push. Very consistent.
Looping- I find the globe 999 to be below average looping combination with the blade. It is still achievable but requires high precise timing and proper follow through arm movement. I am comparing this to my previous btty Hinoki HS7 with same rubbers combination. HS7 can soft loop easily, slightly below table, sending spiny return from opponent’s service to his FH or BH corner. I can do this with LKT A/H either, but the return goes high and without much spin.
However, as I loop and hit Bh with 729 Higher, it turns out different. Returns are great! Very consistent, spiny and “catapulting”. Still, small wrist movement is required to produce that deadly spiny and fast “catapult”. The effect isn’t that obvious if you just hit flat. So from this experience, I may infer that this blade matches better with a medium soft rubber!
Blocking – I think this is the department it excels! So very easy to BH block any kind of flat hit or looping. The balls just go over easily. If you block at first timer, your opponent has no time at all to react but watch the ball whizz past him! Punch block is the best. I also did some "slicing block" on incoming side spin looping ball to my left or center. the returned ball just spins over the net with great speed to opponent FH corner.
I want to commend that this blade turns out heavy to me with my rubbers combo, without weighing on any device. I feel the tiredness/pain on my wrist and upper arm after playing with three single opponents, 4 or 5 sets each. Normally such playing duration is no sweat to me.

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 Post subject: Re: LKT Ayous Hinoki?
PostPosted: 01 Apr 2010, 15:48 
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I felt no vibrations either. I think the spin is very dependent on style and rubber used. One of the reasons I liked it was I got good spin with it.
For the price, I have not found a better blade for my students. :)


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 Post subject: Re: LKT Ayous Hinoki?
PostPosted: 05 Apr 2010, 12:33 
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You may want to try presports. I saw a few pcs above 85gm, but that was 2 weeks ago.

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 Post subject: Re: LKT Ayous Hinoki?
PostPosted: 06 Apr 2010, 13:25 
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Feel your deep love for wavestone, I am tempted to try it. I shall try borrow from local mates if possible, instead of buying yet one more blade, unless it turns out so "loving" to me as it does to you. ;)

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1. Xiom Jazz: 729 Faster 2.2mm, H3 neo 2.2mm
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 Post subject: Re: LKT Ayous Hinoki?
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jixiaolan wrote:
Feel your deep love for wavestone, I am tempted to try it. I shall try borrow from local mates if possible, instead of buying yet one more blade, unless it turns out so "loving" to me as it does to you. ;)


Jix, don't fall for it, not everybody love this blade. I have one and only use it just to prove to Speedplay that I can play LP with this blade while he can't. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: LKT Ayous Hinoki?
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Hahaha, I am saved! :rofl:

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1. Xiom Jazz: 729 Faster 2.2mm, H3 neo 2.2mm
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 Post subject: Re: LKT Ayous Hinoki?
PostPosted: 07 Apr 2010, 00:26 
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To be fair to Speedplay, Wavestone is a very good blade, solid feel. I just have too many good blades lately, so Wavestone has been sitting at one corner of my drawer, waiting to be used. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: LKT Ayous Hinoki?
PostPosted: 07 Apr 2010, 04:33 
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I want to go try the wavestone as well but have acquired way too many blades lately so it will have to wait a bit. I don't really need it but I think it is cheap enough to buy and try out. I think composite blades with good control can never be a bad deal.

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