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Hi guys. I'm sure you guys are training hard for the teams event. I know this post isn't really about technique, but perhaps it is.

I've gone pretty hard in training since the camp in late May. In early July I started wearing the tennis elbow brace. I wore it off and off, having good and bad weeks but eventually in mid/late September I was unable to pick up anything of reasonable weight (more than a few pounds) by grabbing down and picking up.
A couple weeks ago I finally shut it down as I could not transition to a backhand without pain and my backhands were more and more becoming all body and no arm (interestingly this is probably a good thing long term). I never really felt pain while doing the stroke, I just felt pain in the transition.
Today I'm able to lift my test weight (5 poundish) with no pain but I still "feel" it, so not quite healed yet but I'm hoping for a shorter recovery time. I'm sure heavier weights would be unwise at this moment.

So I'm pretty sure this is an over use injury. Is there some flaw in my technique? My #1 theory is that in an attempt to not do shallow forehands I try and snap the forearm up. I also think my backhand serve can contribute to this as I'm trying to bend the wrist and engage the muscle but the volume of forehands is much higher. Here is a picture of my arm, the larger box is where the muscle feels strained on usage and the red area is where I can press and feel pain (tho getting much better). NL said muscles matter too and I think this is where perhaps I can improve to avoid this injury in the future.

Just to answer this question: my elbow joint does not hurt. Lifting things like a "shovel" and not a "crane" results in no discomfort.

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If you squeeze something (like a racket) hard, does the pain come up? Especially with the lower 3 fingers.

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To answer both questions:

No and No.

It is getting better. I would have liked to try the finger squeeze test when it was at it's worst.


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If you can find a good physiotherapist who understands sports-related injuries, you will recover 10x faster. I have the experience (twice).

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ziv wrote:
How do you find one?


This is a great question.


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How do you find one?


This is a great question.

... which is why it remains unanswered.


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I was just lucky. I went to my general physician and she referred me to PT. The therapist I worked with turned out to be an amazing dude who knew a lot about sports. He even knew what table tennis forehand looked like. But I lived in a small utopian town, experience in the rest of the country may obviously vary.

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wilkinru wrote:
Hi guys. I'm sure you guys are training hard for the teams event. I know this post isn't really about technique, but perhaps it is.

I've gone pretty hard in training since the camp in late May. In early July I started wearing the tennis elbow brace. I wore it off and off, having good and bad weeks but eventually in mid/late September I was unable to pick up anything of reasonable weight (more than a few pounds) by grabbing down and picking up.
A couple weeks ago I finally shut it down as I could not transition to a backhand without pain and my backhands were more and more becoming all body and no arm (interestingly this is probably a good thing long term). I never really felt pain while doing the stroke, I just felt pain in the transition.
Today I'm able to lift my test weight (5 poundish) with no pain but I still "feel" it, so not quite healed yet but I'm hoping for a shorter recovery time. I'm sure heavier weights would be unwise at this moment.

So I'm pretty sure this is an over use injury. Is there some flaw in my technique? My #1 theory is that in an attempt to not do shallow forehands I try and snap the forearm up. I also think my backhand serve can contribute to this as I'm trying to bend the wrist and engage the muscle but the volume of forehands is much higher. Here is a picture of my arm, the larger box is where the muscle feels strained on usage and the red area is where I can press and feel pain (tho getting much better). NL said muscles matter too and I think this is where perhaps I can improve to avoid this injury in the future.

Just to answer this question: my elbow joint does not hurt. Lifting things like a "shovel" and not a "crane" results in no discomfort.

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I don't give medical advice and you should see a doctor. I will tell you what I do in this situation and you should NOT copy me. I'm just telling you what I do and that's it.

I take 2400mg of Ibuprofen for 3 days straight. I take 800mg after each meal. I also massage heavily (for about 5 mins) through the belly of the muscle which is your black rectangle, but I don't go near the red box.

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fastmover wrote:
ziv wrote:
How do you find one?


I was just lucky. I went to my general physician and she referred me to PT. The therapist I worked with turned out to be an amazing dude who knew a lot about sports. He even knew what table tennis forehand looked like. But I lived in a small utopian town, experience in the rest of the country may obviously vary.



I guess I was lucky too. This guy is a good friend of mine and I've learned a lot from him over the last 20 years.

Paul Ness, Director of Medical Services, Senior Physiotherapist at ATP
Paul Ness is the Association of Tennis Professionals (ATP) World Tour Director of Medical Services, Senior Physiotherapist, working with players such as Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal and Serena Williams. Paul began with the ATP in 2003 and was appointed to his current role just one year after.

You can google him to read more.

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I have been reluctant to post video here because of my inability to fix my editing skills. That said, here is some video from a club tournament yesterday.

https://youtu.be/mDDtAK3pO8c

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Nice win NL! I love the receive at 17:28. Timo couldn't have done it better. Who needs rally skills when your opponent is dead off the second ball?

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I have been reluctant to post video here because of my inability to fix my editing skills. That said, here is some video from a club tournament yesterday.

https://youtu.be/mDDtAK3pO8c


That's great play Laj!

It's the most aggressive I've seen you play. You played lots of strong forehands which is the key to winning big matches at most levels. Your opponent's forehand is good too, but you limited his opportunities by always taking the initiative.

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My opponent recorded and edited this one. It's a league match from Wednesday night at the excellent Washington DC TTC.

https://youtu.be/ckyLDzIHQVQ

I tried to watch this like a coach or teammate and not as negative as I am when it's me. Here's what I came up with:

Nice match. Hell of a point at 4:27. Good mix of serves, kept him off balance. Receive was good too. Try to cut down on loose points and always play with purpose. And try playing 3rd balls to the body with your backhand. You are pivoting far too late.

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My opponent recorded and edited this one. It's a league match from Wednesday night at the excellent Washington DC TTC.

https://youtu.be/ckyLDzIHQVQ

I tried to watch this like a coach or teammate and not as negative as I am when it's me. Here's what I came up with:

Nice match. Hell of a point at 4:27. Good mix of serves, kept him off balance. Receive was good too. Try to cut down on loose points and always play with purpose. And try playing 3rd balls to the body with your backhand. You are pivoting far too late.


Good win Ben

The opponent has really good shots but he lacks a real strategy. You played with a little more discipline meaning you tried to spin your forehand often which won you a lot of points. If your opponent just committed to serving and using a spinny forehand/backhand 3rd ball, he'd be difficult to beat.

Your pivot is a bit late and often results in a jump around the corner. I think we've been through this a lot before. Your serving and receiving was solid, which was another reason you won.

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My best shot at the NA Teams and probably against the highest level player I played in the whole event - it stuck in my memory and since it was against topspin, it was particularly surprising. I wish I could backswing properly with my left foot and move consistently. Seriously. But the shot is still a Laj countertopspin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK5tPtHQncg&t=1015

I love the sound of my teammate (yes!) and his teammate (wow!) in the background. I lost the match but managed to stay in it because the opponent had serious trouble reading my serves - I was so annoyed that I had lost to his young 12 year old teammate earlier that I wanted to win this one badly. But he was a significantly higher rated player than his paper rating displayed.

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