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This is my attempt at the BH Shove Topspin from 1.5 weeks ago (i.e. before watching the official video). I tried to copy the stroke from Brett's short video he previously posted in this thread (he also provided comments on shadowswings I had sent to him directly). Some questions:

(1) Brett, does the shadow swing look ok?

What I find interesting and frustrating is that my actual stroke is different (imo I need to bow forward more and shove directly forward) than the shadowswing -- this happens to me quite a lot. I look at the recording after returning home because I don't want to keep my practice partner waiting.

(2) Any advice on how to minimize the difference between shadowswing and actual stroke? Do you recommend practicing the shadowswing more often?

https://youtu.be/nNcHxXv3K_4


Just in case this gets lost - there is nothing wrong with having more than one backhand topspin shot IMO (or more than one kind of forehand topspin shot either). I tend to do something more like the shove when I counter a topspin ball, but something with more elbow driven action (and sometimes more wrist usage) when I want to loop backspin or play a spin shot from off the table with more venom.

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NextLevel wrote:
My backhand is a mix of all kinds of things - shove, twist, arm usage, and none of them done 100%... what the heck...

https://youtu.be/0jAftP-e0xA?t=264


:D :D :D

If you want pure shove, focus on exaggerating the body movement and do it all earlier. Get your non-playing arm going forward too, at least for now. The non-playing arm will help to eliminate twisting if that's your goal.

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NextLevel wrote:
chopblock wrote:
This is my attempt at the BH Shove Topspin from 1.5 weeks ago (i.e. before watching the official video). I tried to copy the stroke from Brett's short video he previously posted in this thread (he also provided comments on shadowswings I had sent to him directly). Some questions:

(1) Brett, does the shadow swing look ok?

What I find interesting and frustrating is that my actual stroke is different (imo I need to bow forward more and shove directly forward) than the shadowswing -- this happens to me quite a lot. I look at the recording after returning home because I don't want to keep my practice partner waiting.

(2) Any advice on how to minimize the difference between shadowswing and actual stroke? Do you recommend practicing the shadowswing more often?

https://youtu.be/nNcHxXv3K_4


Just in case this gets lost - there is nothing wrong with having more than one backhand topspin shot IMO (or more than one kind of forehand topspin shot either). I tend to do something more like the shove when I counter a topspin ball, but something with more elbow driven action (and sometimes more wrist usage) when I want to loop backspin or play a spin shot from off the table with more venom.


Right.

For example, when you go back from the table, you could add a twist and a more rounded arm movement.

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Here is my first attempt:


It's very very hard to remove the wrist whip. I was of course trying different things here, like using both arms, then 1 arm. I wasn't even really focused on the ball.


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wilkinru wrote:
Here is my first attempt:


It's very very hard to remove the wrist whip. I was of course trying different things here, like using both arms, then 1 arm. I wasn't even really focused on the ball.


The body movement is flawless but you need to shove your arm out much lower.

Try to get the feeling that you are hitting down on the ball and throwing your arm low and forward.

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Here is my first attempt:


It's very very hard to remove the wrist whip. I was of course trying different things here, like using both arms, then 1 arm. I wasn't even really focused on the ball.


The body movement is flawless but you need to shove your arm out much lower.

Try to get the feeling that you are hitting down on the ball and throwing your arm low and forward.


The closest one was at 00:20

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wilkinru wrote:
Here is my first attempt:


It's very very hard to remove the wrist whip. I was of course trying different things here, like using both arms, then 1 arm. I wasn't even really focused on the ball.


The body movement is flawless but you need to shove your arm out much lower.

Try to get the feeling that you are hitting down on the ball and throwing your arm low and forward.


The closest one was at 00:20


I must disagree, the one at 10 seconds was best. In fact all of them with 2 arms were better. I can see a change when I go to 1 arm. I'm going to stick to 2 arms for a little bit and see if that helps.


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wilkinru wrote:
I must disagree, the one at 10 seconds was best. In fact all of them with 2 arms were better. I can see a change when I go to 1 arm. I'm going to stick to 2 arms for a little bit and see if that helps.


No, they really weren't. Let's take a vote then - All two arms, or the one at 00:20?

I'm just kidding about the vote. You need to get your arms coming through low. Avoid the wrist follow through on this one. Don't go to bed tonight until you get this right, okay?

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wilkinru wrote:
Here is my first attempt:


It's very very hard to remove the wrist whip. I was of course trying different things here, like using both arms, then 1 arm. I wasn't even really focused on the ball.


It will get better but the ball quality looks pretty good. Tuck your arm in towards your chest more. I think taking the backswing further gives you more room to come forward and straight into the ball.

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NextLevel wrote:
wilkinru wrote:
Here is my first attempt:


It's very very hard to remove the wrist whip. I was of course trying different things here, like using both arms, then 1 arm. I wasn't even really focused on the ball.


It will get better but the ball quality looks pretty good. Tuck your arm in towards your chest more. I think taking the backswing further gives you more room to come forward and straight into the ball.


I think this is a good tip for everyone.

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It's very very hard to remove the wrist whip. I was of course trying different things here, like using both arms, then 1 arm. I wasn't even really focused on the ball.

It will get better but the ball quality looks pretty good. Tuck your arm in towards your chest more. I think taking the backswing further gives you more room to come forward and straight into the ball.


I think this is a good tip for everyone.


Alright I will try this later. I had to sleep on what it meant. Just got done with my cov19 three hour daily training camp.

Brett we need more content. Now is the time for really working on technique.


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Brett we need more content. Now is the time for really working on technique.


:o :o :o

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wilkinru wrote:
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It's very very hard to remove the wrist whip. I was of course trying different things here, like using both arms, then 1 arm. I wasn't even really focused on the ball.

It will get better but the ball quality looks pretty good. Tuck your arm in towards your chest more. I think taking the backswing further gives you more room to come forward and straight into the ball.


I think this is a good tip for everyone.


Alright I will try this later. I had to sleep on what it meant. Just got done with my cov19 three hour daily training camp.

Brett we need more content. Now is the time for really working on technique.


I'll make you a deal...post a video with a correct shove and I'll post another video within 24 hours. deal?

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Looks like I have another 8 hours to get a good one in, if this one isn't it.


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Brett Clarke wrote:
Footwork is way overrated imo.


Indeed! Topspin technique is IMO overrated too. Just push and block, should be enough to reach 2200 USATT at least, probably even higher.

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