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Richfs wrote:
Hey everyone.. it's been a while since I posted here. I've been lurking now and then and tempted to join ttedge again, when things get back to normal and league starts here again, I will certainly need Brett's expert coaching :D.

I found a clip of my FH from 2018, I believe it was around then that I joined ttedge. Looking at it and remembering how I practiced then made me realize how arm oriented it was, even though my FH was my strength and I did use some hip rotation then, I remember consciously tensing my arm because I thought that was how you got more power. After ttedge insight I realized that was completely wrong and I've since then tried to let the arm follow the body, it has lead to more consistency and less arm pain. I hope the most recent FH vs block looks less arm-driven compared to the older one. Though I'm going for a bit too much power here which also makes it inconsistent. Anyway, my point is Brett helped me understand where the focus should be (driving the arm with the hips) and that makes it easier.

My training partner has recorded our practice lately so I put together a bunch of clips. I've worked a lot on my backhand which I've found incredibly hard to figure out, but lately a few things have started to click. I've also got new equipment, Chinese rubber (H8) on the FH, harder rubber on the backhand a few months later I got a carbon blade. Since the change I went on a big win streak against the guys I usually practice with so it definitely did something good. I never thought I'd change from an all-wood blade and I don't know how much of a real difference there is, but since the change I've felt more stability. The harder rubber helped serve return.



0:00​​-0:37​​ FH against block
0:38​​-0:54​​ 2 point FH
0:54​​-1:11​​ 2 BH 2 FH
1:11​​-1:55​​ BH against BH/block
1:55​​-3:05​​ BH open up and BH follow up
3:05​​-3:35​​ BH flip and other stuff
3:35​​-3:57​​ FH loop-loop
3:58​​ BH block and defense

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Hey Rich, Thanks for posting. It looks like you are still improving.

The backhand blocking you did at 3:58 showed me that you understand backhand. There is a nice short and sharp bending and straightening of the legs whilst your torso remains leaning forward. If possible, take some of this movement into your backhand topspin against block.

Your backhand topspin against backspin need a bit of work. I'd really focus on part 7 of the ttEDGE 2021 series and watch this ML video to reconcile everything https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8dfM0RI_Ig. Then send me the outcome or post here. As the opponent strikes the ball, you need to bow forward a lot and then straighten your back as you are about to strike the ball. This will propel your arm better.

The forehand is looking good. Bring your right knee around as much as possible on the backswing (show your opponent your right shorts pocket) as per part 2 of the ttEDGE 2021 series. You are already doing all of this quite well, but I just wanted to make sure your attention is on it.

Continue to send me stuff.

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Thanks a lot Brett, gonna work on this. Most of the time it feels like I have very little time to do anything with my body on the BH, but I suppose I'm not used to/haven't quite understood the motion. When blocking there's a lot more time to do it.


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I have been trying to add more anti drift movement into my forehand.

I find it easier to do this on the open up against backspin as I have more time on the backswing. I tried slowing down the backswing during back rotation of hips and having the bat face the table more on the backswing and start forward body rotation causing the bat to naturally backswing more then a forward high speed swing whip action.

The addition of spin and power was an eye opener. Amazing.

I think it can lead to a shorter backswing with time limited with high racket speed.

Its like taking a whip serve action into the forehand.


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I got this interesting tip direct from Brett the other day in training.

When you are doing a backhand topspin against block using the squat and rise method the bat should feel heavy in your hand at one point in the backswing.

I think this is due to the rise of the body as the bat is still going back in the backswing before the forward whip action. So the body and bat are going in somewhat opposite directions before the whip leading to the bat feeling heavy.

I think you need an explosive move out to the squat position to get this feeling.

If I got the explanation of this heavy feeling incorrect maybe brett can correct me.


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Hi Brett, Hope you are well. just watched the new Pendulum vid. I found it interesting that you didn't focus on twisting and turning the shoulders as much as you have done previously. Any reason why or was I hallucinating before :) ?


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maurice101 wrote:
I got this interesting tip direct from Brett the other day in training.

When you are doing a backhand topspin against block using the squat and rise method the bat should feel heavy in your hand at one point in the backswing.

I think this is due to the rise of the body as the bat is still going back in the backswing before the forward whip action. So the body and bat are going in somewhat opposite directions before the whip leading to the bat feeling heavy.

I think you need an explosive move out to the squat position to get this feeling.

If I got the explanation of this heavy feeling incorrect maybe brett can correct me.



Watch this shot https://youtu.be/Ux-eP9dbrRc?t=160

His body is coming up as the backswing is still happening. There is more topspin on the ball than an amateur has ever seen.

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Hi Brett, Hope you are well. just watched the new Pendulum vid. I found it interesting that you didn't focus on twisting and turning the shoulders as much as you have done previously. Any reason why or was I hallucinating before :) ?


Hey Dan, turning the shoulders will get a lot of spin, especially when added to the content in the video. The video is more about the timing of the backswing in relation to the forward stamp. I guess it's also about the downward body momentum needed to get the ball down into the table.

I can/will make a video about standing with a completely straight back and using 100% body rotation on the Pendulum serve. He Zhi Wen does this and it is amazing https://youtu.be/kFHTDnv49Zk?t=41

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Part 22 of the 2021 series is now available on ttEDGE.com

It's about the backspin serve and it's really the same content as the Pendulum serve. I think it's definitely worth a watch though as the content is an important part of the puzzle, imo.

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Brett, I'm puzzled by what you said a month ago about you always serving at maximum spin. Wouldn't that remove your disguise of the amount of spin? As long as the opponent could tell what direction the spin was i.e. backspin versus topspin, they would quickly learn the strength of your spin (for each different type of serve).


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Pongalong wrote:
Brett, I'm puzzled by what you said a month ago about you always serving at maximum spin. Wouldn't that remove your disguise of the amount of spin? As long as the opponent could tell what direction the spin was i.e. backspin versus topspin, they would quickly learn the strength of your spin (for each different type of serve).


I feel like you don't have to disguise the amount of spin unless you intend to serve no spin. It's always more scary to return a loaded serve than a serve with less spin. Even if they can tell the spin, it's better to have it loaded with spin as they then might accidentally push long or pop it up. I also think it's easier to read serves with less spin, the flight path and the serve motion is easier to read as you'd have to intentionally make a slower swing for weaker spin. When it all happens very quickly it's more difficult to pick up the amount and type of spin, then the "disguise" happens as a biproduct of efficient serve mechanics. It seems counterproductive to do the opposite, except for a no spin serve, but then I think it's more about keeping the swing as fast/similar but with a flatter contact.

Brett may have mentioned this stuff before, maybe he has some more/other thoughts on this.


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Some humor to revitalize things a bit. It is about tennis, but I think anyone who worked with coaches in TT can relate :)



In the meanwhile, I am coming back to the sport slowly after getting a vaccine, maybe will post some vids later.

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I am fortunate having a 2 hour lesson with Brett every week thanks to the virus! He is stuck in Australia. I thought I might post some things we cover in my training as it might be of interest to readers of ttedge.

I expect everyone has the concept of drift, no drift and anti drift in regards to the service motion down pat by now. This concept has really improved my serve spin level 100%. The idea is to delay the backswing as long as possible in the serve so you have high racket speed going back into the whip pattern as the body is going in the opposite direction. This creates a fast whip action leading to a high forward racket speed.

In training we have been using this concept in normal shots. I expect most players have not heard of this concept applying to normal shots. Its like you are making normal shots more serve like with a resultant high racket speed.

The idea is that the body moves first, the bat is still going back so there is a delay in the arm going forward in regards to body action

The body action is really the key to the fast whip action.

Lets take the long fast push against short backspin as an example. You start to step forward for the stroke. You hold the racket out in front of you as long as possible. (no drift). As the body is going forward you do a fast backswing and a quality whip action. You hit the ball as the front foot hits the ground.

This is pretty much exactly the same leg and body action as the backspin serve. When I get the motion correct the feeling on the ball contact on the racket is sort of heavy like. Brett commented on this feeling of the racket contact he gets in his serves too.

The result is a fast very heavy spin shot that is difficult to open up against and most club players push it into the net.

So this delay in the first part of the backswing can be used for the forehand and backhand open up against a slower long push. You delay the backswing until the last moment, then do a fast backswing against the opposite direction of the body motion for a high whip action.

So in training I say to myself, slow backswing, then fast whip.

This seems to create more time to see the balls motion as it comes to you as the whip part of the stroke is very fast so it is creating more time to see the ball. Being slow in the first part of the backswing could also help in being more relaxed in the arm.

If you receive a fast ball, you do not have time to delay but you still have trained a fast backswing whip action. You still can do a quality shot against fast balls.

In my experience, adding this concept to my open up topspin shots raises the quality of the shot about 20 percent. If I have time, against block on my forehand topspin, I try to delay the backswing until the last moment too.

I hope the above is of interest.


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Lucky maurice101!

From my experience, whip mechanics is very natural for pushing and chopping. The motion is quite similar to serving, so it makes a lot of sense. On the other hand, I find it really hard to apply to other shots, especially topspins. I feel for these shots the key is the explosive body action. Unlike pushing/chopping/serving, I don't feel any delay/whip/drift in my hand, I just try to engage as many muscle fibers from my core and my legs, and if I manage to do so, the ball goes with a lot of power. The only exception is probably forehand flick where whip mechanics seem to work very well too.

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Dr.Pivot you are spot on about explosive body action. Brett is always on to me about the correct body motion. I do suggest based on my lessons with brett to experiment with an element of no drift in the backhand open up against long backspin. Then you could find the power from explosive body action combining with a faster whip leading to an even higher level shot. You can see a clear delay if you watch ma long on slow motion on his backhand open up.


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