OOAK Table Tennis Forum


A truly International Table Tennis Community for both Defensive and Offensive styles!
OOAK Forum Links About OOAK Table Tennis Forum OOAK Forum Memory
It is currently 28 May 2020, 20:26


Don't want to see any advertising? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!



All times are UTC + 9:30 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 504 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: 01 Dec 2019, 23:13 
Offline
My Precious
User avatar

Joined: 25 May 2012, 20:02
Posts: 528
Location: Adelaide Australia
Has thanked: 148 times
Been thanked: 73 times
Blade: Trinity Carbon
FH: Joola Golden Tango
BH: Tibhar Dtecs OX
charmander defender wrote:
I have been wondering if Tm plus a carbon blade ( off -) could yield better results.I think the added speed from the carbon layers will make the rubber more dangerous and since Tm is really slow, a carbon blade could improve its performance .Maybe the carbon Grubba might make TM better ? .

I have mounted Tm on DMS deluxe carbon and an inverted on 1.4mm on the fh . Maybe somebody here has tried TM on a carbon blade yet ?

I use a red OX TM on the BH of my TSP trinity Carbon which works incredibly well for me :up: :clap:

_________________
Setup 1: Blade: TSP Trinity Carbon | Joola Golden Tango black 1.8mm FH & Tibhar Grass D. TecS OX red BH
Setup 2: Blade: TSP Trinity Carbon | Joola Golden Tango PS black 2.0mm FH & Troublemaker OX red BH
Setup 3: Blade: TSP Trinity Carbon | Joola Golden Tango black 1.8mm FH & & Spinlord Dornenglanz OX red BH

See the ball, be the ball...


Top
 Profile  
 


PostPosted: 02 Dec 2019, 03:42 
Offline
New Member

Joined: 01 Dec 2019, 19:22
Posts: 3
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 1 time
Blade: Donier Def
FH: Stiga DNA H
BH: Globe 979
I have been using TM (OX) for some months now but struggling with many opponents who seems to have non problems looping back. However I can confirm that TM is great against weaker opposition, but against higher ranked players you need to attack and not just defence. I switched to Globe 979 and instantly got benefits against higher ranked players because of the real good attacking-possibilities the 979 provides. So in my opinion no doubt that the TM is best suited against lower ranked players.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 05 Dec 2019, 17:27 
Offline
Modern Chiseler.
Modern Chiseler.
User avatar

Joined: 05 Oct 2007, 06:49
Posts: 11058
Location: USA
Has thanked: 492 times
Been thanked: 539 times
Blade: Grubba ALL+
FH: Marder 1mm
BH: DG ox, TM ox
Saw this photo making the rounds on Facebook.


Attachments:
78319675_2789521337735589_9113438599407206400_n.jpg
78319675_2789521337735589_9113438599407206400_n.jpg [ 83.68 KiB | Viewed 956 times ]

_________________



The MNNB Blog has had some pretty amazing stuff lately. Just click this text to check it out.
| My OOAK Interview
Table Tennis Video Links: itTV | laola1.tv | ttbl | fftt | Challenger Series | mnnb-tv

No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you.
Homer J. Simpson
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 05 Dec 2019, 22:36 
Offline
Darth Pips
Darth Pips
User avatar

Joined: 26 Jun 2007, 03:59
Posts: 4539
Location: Cudahy, WI, USA
Has thanked: 76 times
Been thanked: 88 times
Blade: Dr Neubauer Matador
FH: Tibhar Evolution MX-P 1.9
BH: DMS Scandal 1.2
Wow, all I can think is they got a bad sheet.

_________________
"The greatest teacher, failure is"
USATT Rating: 1667
Blade: Dr Neubauer Matador
FH Rubber: Tibhar Evolution MX-P 1.9
BH Rubber: DMS Scandal 1.2


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 06 Dec 2019, 00:35 
Offline
Super User

Joined: 15 Jan 2018, 04:47
Posts: 511
Has thanked: 131 times
Been thanked: 111 times
Blade: Grubba All+
FH: Moristo Def 1.2
BH: DG/Zeitgeist ox
It does seem terrible,however, the player's style has a lot to do when pips break so fast . I have had a new DG for 7 months now,... no pip broken,... yes, the other older DG, yes,..it lost pips but just at the edge of the blade,... it appears it must have been me hitting the blade when blocking,... but zero broken pips in the centre of the blade . I mostly do passive blocking,...zero hitting,.. just pushing when necessary,... no hitting with the rubber is paramount for anybody not to lose pips .

My red Tm, well worn down, has not lost any pips at all :lol: :)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 07 Dec 2019, 19:35 
Offline
Sitting on Defence
Sitting on Defence
User avatar

Joined: 09 Feb 2007, 04:42
Posts: 1471
Location: USA
Has thanked: 46 times
Been thanked: 56 times
Blade: TSP Trinity Carbon
FH: Tibhar MX-S 2.2mm
BH: Troublemaker 0.5mm
Any data on pips lost on red vs. black sheets?

I have been using TM in red for a few months now and have had no pips break so far.

I know some rubbers seem a bitter softer in black...

_________________
Get on the early bird list for my new book: Peak Performance Table Tennis.
Feel free to PM me with any health, training, or nutrition questions :)

Kit: TSP Trinity Carbon | MX-S 2.2mm | Troublemaker O.5mm


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 11 Dec 2019, 15:46 
Offline
Super User

Joined: 17 Jul 2013, 17:01
Posts: 579
Has thanked: 54 times
Been thanked: 119 times
Blade: Joola CWX
FH: S&T Secret Flow 2.1
BH: Troublemaker ox
I tested some blades with TM ox.

1. Spinlord Ultra Carbon Def OFF- Stiff with very linear bounce, hard to create spin with FH, hard to find suitable FH rubber,
2. Joola Chen Weixing ALL+ Powerful and spinny FH, cloth structure gives dwell, slight vibrations
3. Butterfly Gruppa All+ ALL+ Bouncy, soft and dwelly feel, fastes FH smashes, loops well
4. Donic Defplay ALL Flexy and hard vibrating feeling, catapult can add or take away speed, least linear
5. TSP Reflex Defence DEF+ Slow and dwelly, lots of FH spin with short trajectory, no catapult

CHOPPING with TM ox: CWX = UltraCD >= Defplay >=ReflexD > Gruppa
- CWX just feels good, consistent chops, not very dangerous in chopping and lack variation.
- UltraCD surprinly nice control, good spin, didn't test much, but it has promise for more.
- Defplay chops well, but more inconsistent than CWX, on the other hand more dangerous, as there is natural variation.
- ReflexD is controlled, but too slow and predictable, and the braking effect is not much better than faster blades.
- Gruppa has smaller face an is not a actual chopping blade and because of the bouncy nature don't grip the ball to make "real chop".

BLOCKING with TM ox: CWX >=Defplay >=Gruppa > ReflexD = UltraCD
- CWX blocks are low and on the faster side and control is good.
- Defplay blocks good because of hardness, variable speed and lenght, but some inconsistency.
- Gruppa blocks nice off the bounce, not so good if you take the ball further away.
- ReflexD is controlled, but too slow and predictable and trajectory is too high.
- UltraCD is too fuzzy with the angle resulting to easy mistakes, otherwise blocks are OK.

Attack and active table play with TM ox: Defplay >= CWX > Gruppa > ReflexD =UltraCD
- Defplay has good speed helped by flex and many variable plays are possible.
- CWX has good control in active play, but adding substantial speed is not easy.
- Gruppa is good for distributing ball of the bounce, otherwise variation lacks and adding speed lacks control.
- ReflexD lacks speed for active plays.
- UltraCD don't grip the ball and room for wrong angle is critical, so active plays are difficult.

For forehand looping CWX, Defplay and Gruppa all+ work well, depending on preference. ReflexD is slow, but otherwise playable, UltraCD don't work for me in looping with most normal rubbers, as it's too stiff to create spin. Only Skyline 3 rubber worked for me and another member said that Haifu Whale suits well with it.

CONCLUSION: CWX has been my main blade for years and and I reached the same conclusion it to be clearly best with TM ox - the same conclusion as every time with testing of other blades.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 11 Dec 2019, 20:22 
Offline
New Member

Joined: 08 Sep 2018, 06:30
Posts: 33
Location: Sweden
Has thanked: 10 times
Been thanked: 4 times
Blade: DHS 7
FH: DMS Firestorm Black 1,8
BH: TMsponge /Globe979 sponge
charmander defender wrote:
It does seem terrible,however, the player's style has a lot to do when pips break so fast . I have had a new DG for 7 months now,... no pip broken,... yes, the other older DG, yes,..it lost pips but just at the edge of the blade,... it appears it must have been me hitting the blade when blocking,... but zero broken pips in the centre of the blade . I mostly do passive blocking,...zero hitting,.. just pushing when necessary,... no hitting with the rubber is paramount for anybody not to lose pips .

My red Tm, well worn down, has not lost any pips at all :lol: :)



Thanks for your recommendation to play with Globe 979 with sponge,I won over high ranked players yesterday. :clap:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 12 Dec 2019, 02:08 
Offline
Super User

Joined: 15 Jan 2018, 04:47
Posts: 511
Has thanked: 131 times
Been thanked: 111 times
Blade: Grubba All+
FH: Moristo Def 1.2
BH: DG/Zeitgeist ox
Gigant wrote:
charmander defender wrote:
It does seem terrible,however, the player's style has a lot to do when pips break so fast . I have had a new DG for 7 months now,... no pip broken,... yes, the other older DG, yes,..it lost pips but just at the edge of the blade,... it appears it must have been me hitting the blade when blocking,... but zero broken pips in the centre of the blade . I mostly do passive blocking,...zero hitting,.. just pushing when necessary,... no hitting with the rubber is paramount for anybody not to lose pips .

My red Tm, well worn down, has not lost any pips at all :lol: :)



Thanks for your recommendation to play with Globe 979 with sponge,I won over high ranked players yesterday. :clap:


Did I ? I don't seem to remember.Thank you! anyway . :)

Globe 979 ox, ONLY plays great for blocking if the friction is lost or if it has very little friction. With new sheets, the speed is rather fast and the no spin balls are complicated .With low friction or no friction, Globe 979 ox is a great blocking rubber with a fairly low trajectory and CHEAP!!!! FOR GOD'S SAKE! :lol: :lol: .

It is funny the old classic pips still work great with the new ball : BT, Globe,Palio, Dawei,...., which raises the question : why all the hype about the new rubbers " ESPECIALLY DESIGNED " for the new ball ??

Marketing and taking the bait , that is :lol: :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 12 Dec 2019, 03:20 
Offline
New Member

Joined: 08 Sep 2018, 06:30
Posts: 33
Location: Sweden
Has thanked: 10 times
Been thanked: 4 times
Blade: DHS 7
FH: DMS Firestorm Black 1,8
BH: TMsponge /Globe979 sponge
charmander defender wrote:
Gigant wrote:
charmander defender wrote:
It does seem terrible,however, the player's style has a lot to do when pips break so fast . I have had a new DG for 7 months now,... no pip broken,... yes, the other older DG, yes,..it lost pips but just at the edge of the blade,... it appears it must have been me hitting the blade when blocking,... but zero broken pips in the centre of the blade . I mostly do passive blocking,...zero hitting,.. just pushing when necessary,... no hitting with the rubber is paramount for anybody not to lose pips .

My red Tm, well worn down, has not lost any pips at all :lol: :)



Thanks for your recommendation to play with Globe 979 with sponge,I won over high ranked players yesterday. :clap:


Did I ? I don't seem to remember.Thank you! anyway . :)


I use DMS Dibolic
Globe 979 ox, ONLY plays great for blocking if the friction is lost or if it has very little friction. With new sheets, the speed is rather fast and the no spin balls are complicated .With low friction or no friction, Globe 979 ox is a great blocking rubber with a fairly low trajectory and CHEAP!!!! FOR GOD'S SAKE! :lol: :lol: .

It is funny the old classic pips still work great with the new ball : BT, Globe,Palio, Dawei,...., which raises the question : why all the hype about the new rubbers " ESPECIALLY DESIGNED " for the new ball ??

Marketing and taking the bait , that is :lol: :lol:


I use Diabolic sponge and 979 the combination is fantastic :clap:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 12 Dec 2019, 04:14 
Offline
Super User

Joined: 15 Jan 2018, 04:47
Posts: 511
Has thanked: 131 times
Been thanked: 111 times
Blade: Grubba All+
FH: Moristo Def 1.2
BH: DG/Zeitgeist ox
Great for you !!! it is important to experiment.I guess the Diabolic sponge is excellent to block the powerful blocks , however, I don't think reversal is enough due to the sponge .Also, the dampening sponge may let you block shorter,.... but you may lose too much reversal as you are not using ox .

Maybe you are not a blocker and you tend to attack more . :)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 12 Dec 2019, 04:34 
Offline
New Member

Joined: 08 Sep 2018, 06:30
Posts: 33
Location: Sweden
Has thanked: 10 times
Been thanked: 4 times
Blade: DHS 7
FH: DMS Firestorm Black 1,8
BH: TMsponge /Globe979 sponge
charmander defender wrote:
Great for you !!! it is important to experiment.I guess the Diabolic sponge is excellent to block the powerful blocks , however, I don't think reversal is enough due to the sponge .Also, the dampening sponge may let you block shorter,.... but you may lose too much reversal as you are not using ox .

Maybe you are not a blocker and you tend to attack more . :)


I'm attacking and have a small error rate,with this combination and confuses the opponent very much,try it and you vill be surprised :D


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 15 Dec 2019, 20:01 
Offline
Full member
User avatar

Joined: 13 Sep 2013, 19:14
Posts: 95
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Has thanked: 5 times
Been thanked: 10 times
Blade: Re-Impact Smart
FH: Hellfire OX
BH: Evolution EL-P 1.7mm
Gigant wrote:
charmander defender wrote:
Great for you !!! it is important to experiment.I guess the Diabolic sponge is excellent to block the powerful blocks , however, I don't think reversal is enough due to the sponge .Also, the dampening sponge may let you block shorter,.... but you may lose too much reversal as you are not using ox .

Maybe you are not a blocker and you tend to attack more . :)


I'm attacking and have a small error rate,with this combination and confuses the opponent very much,try it and you vill be surprised :D



Where do you buy the Diabolic sponge? I would like to try this combination


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 15 Dec 2019, 23:02 
Offline
New Member

Joined: 08 Sep 2018, 06:30
Posts: 33
Location: Sweden
Has thanked: 10 times
Been thanked: 4 times
Blade: DHS 7
FH: DMS Firestorm Black 1,8
BH: TMsponge /Globe979 sponge
jeanc wrote:
Gigant wrote:
charmander defender wrote:
Great for you !!! it is important to experiment.I guess the Diabolic sponge is excellent to block the powerful blocks , however, I don't think reversal is enough due to the sponge .Also, the dampening sponge may let you block shorter,.... but you may lose too much reversal as you are not using ox .

Maybe you are not a blocker and you tend to attack more . :)


I'm attacking and have a small error rate,with this combination and confuses the opponent very much,try it and you vill be surprised :D



Where do you buy the Diabolic sponge? I would like to try this combination


I removed it from the existing one,put this in boiling water and you can remove


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 08 Jan 2020, 19:52 
Offline
Senior member
User avatar

Joined: 11 Apr 2007, 17:06
Posts: 133
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 41 times
Hi lp lovers,

I have another video in a veterans tournament for sharing using Dr.Neubauer TM OX on a Dr.N World Champion blade. The opponent is a rather top LP expert with LP on both sides. However, I managed to use TM OX to chop most of the time against his killer swipe and do BH roll/drive and FH smashes to win the game.

To be honest, TM OX is not as weird as Tibhar DTecs OX, that is for sure. However, its the consistency, all-round features, ball return and having fewer error rates which shine. Since its not that weird, therefore it wont do magic. When you vs higher ranking players, you need to attack to compromise its weakness like the other video 'Test #2' on page 26 vs a looper.




Cheers!
PingpongStephen :) :) :)


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 504 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34  Next



All times are UTC + 9:30 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 16 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Copyright 2018 OOAK Table Tennis Forum. The information on this site cannot be reused without written permission.

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group