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PostPosted: 14 Jan 2020, 08:44 
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Haven't tried DTecs. I just assumed it would be too fast. Will be interested to know if it keeps working for you. Have you ever tried Marder on the forehand?

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mynamenotbob wrote:
Haven't tried DTecs. I just assumed it would be too fast. Will be interested to know if it keeps working for you. Have you ever tried Marder on the forehand?

I did on the thick balsa blades from Yinhe and Firewall +. Marder has a great control but I was straggling to attack with it.
A forehand topspin and a flat hit are the big part of my game so I put it aside.
Moristo Defensive is not a real defensive rubber. It is a quite springy tensor with good control and decent spin. Another positive
of Moristo Def it is a tension that it applies to the blade. This tension on the blade results in a quite loud sound when a ball hits
a backend side with Grass D Tec. I think that vibration i.e. a loud click is the factor which tames Grass D Tec. I installed Grass D Tec by stretching slightly on the glue sheet same way as so called special version from Contra .


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redspot wrote:
Hi Charm Def and MNNB. As you both use Grubba All+ as a competition blade I want to ask you whether you tested Grass D Tec
or not. I was sceptical about effectiveness of Grass D Tec with the plastic ball until tonight practice when I discovered Grass D Tec
as well mannered long pip on Grubba blade( a forehand rubber - Nittaku Moristo Def 1.8 mm Red). I played a few games against
the penhold player who uses Dawei 388D-1 with a thin sponge and a tacky Chinese inverted and twidles. He always puts a lot of pressure on my backend as he rolls the ball until I lift it high enough for him to finish with the long pip. This time my backend was very competitive. The resume on a new rubber wood combination will be only after the tests against the strong spiny attacker.


Hi, Redspot! no, I did not test D. Techs on Grubba all + just because speedwise it could be rather difficult to control ; however, I will give it a go at some point for sure and then, report my findings here .As far as Moristo Def I agree with you that it is not so defensive as it seems - according to the name of the rubber .Yes, very good control and spin.I use it 1.2 mm and the pip works great with it too,however, while revisiting Thibar SD 40, the pip worked poorly, even with the SD 40 on 0.5 sponge, incredible how the fh rubber affects the pip play!!!! ; so what I gained with Thibar SD 40 I lost it with the pip play :( :( .....

Therefore , the theory of the fh rubber affecting the pip/ anti play is so true and my theory is the thinner, softer the sponge, the better the pip plays for close to the table defense .In consequence, for D.techs it also applies that the thinner the sponge on the fh rubber , the better to tame D. Techs. :)


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charmander defender wrote:
redspot wrote:
Hi Charm Def and MNNB. As you both use Grubba All+ as a competition blade I want to ask you whether you tested Grass D Tec
or not. I was sceptical about effectiveness of Grass D Tec with the plastic ball until tonight practice when I discovered Grass D Tec
as well mannered long pip on Grubba blade( a forehand rubber - Nittaku Moristo Def 1.8 mm Red). I played a few games against
the penhold player who uses Dawei 388D-1 with a thin sponge and a tacky Chinese inverted and twidles. He always puts a lot of pressure on my backend as he rolls the ball until I lift it high enough for him to finish with the long pip. This time my backend was very competitive. The resume on a new rubber wood combination will be only after the tests against the strong spiny attacker.


Hi, Redspot! no, I did not test D. Techs on Grubba all + just because speedwise it could be rather difficult to control ; however, I will give it a go at some point for sure and then, report my findings here .As far as Moristo Def I agree with you that it is not so defensive as it seems - according to the name of the rubber .Yes, very good control and spin.I use it 1.2 mm and the pip works great with it too,however, while revisiting Thibar SD 40, the pip worked poorly, even with the SD 40 on 0.5 sponge, incredible how the fh rubber affects the pip play!!!! ; so what I gained with Thibar SD 40 I lost it with the pip play :( :( .....

Therefore , the theory of the fh rubber affecting the pip/ anti play is so true and my theory is the thinner, softer the sponge, the better the pip plays for close to the table defense .In consequence, for D.techs it also applies that the thinner the sponge on the fh rubber , the better to tame D. Techs. :)

Great, I will be waiting for your test result and your highly respected view on the combination of Grubba All + and Grass D Tec. I think that Grass D Tec is still the most deceptive pip (I mean OX ). I forgot to tell in the previous post that I put a thin layer of Revolution 3 glue on the blade before installing the glue sheet. In addition, Grass D Tec tested was in black which I think is slightly slower then red. As far as Moristo Def is concerned I played it in 1.8 so knowing that you play 1.2mm thickness I think you will have even more controllable set up with Grass D Tec.


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