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PostPosted: 12 Nov 2019, 22:29 
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Hi all,

Need a FH rubber which is good at (contra)looping from all distances.

My blade is a Victas Koji Matsushita. On the BH I chop/push with extreme backspin using a 1.5mm Bloom Spin(inverted choppers must try this!). This rubber is very good at pushing/blocking/chopping. Also you can loop/spin with this rubber, it gives nasty spin to the ball.

When I am defending and they loop the ball deep on my FH I want to counter loop(cause I am bad at FH chopping). I now play with Battle II prov on my FH which is great in spin/looping close to the table but on my blade it's not that good at counterlooping. I have to make to much effort to loop it back.

Does one of you know a good rubber for that purpose?
Maybe Xiom Omega VII Pro or Europe are good for that?

Thank you in advance!


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PostPosted: 12 Nov 2019, 23:52 
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Blade: Stiga Defensive Classic
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So the issue is that long distance loops requires a lot of effort? Either boost your tacky rubber or buy any modern "tensor type" rubber from Xiom/Tibhar/Donic/Stiga/Butterfly/etc. I've used both T05 and Fastarc G-1 with great success on the VKM.


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PostPosted: 13 Nov 2019, 01:57 
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I was about to say... Tenergy 05.. :lol: Hundreds of pros can't be wrong.

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Nearly all modern tensors are meant for looping/counter-looping away from the table. Too many good ones to recommend. Anything that's not too hard or too soft will work for your needs just fine. Pick any modern tensor rubber and the rest is just your technique.


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PostPosted: 13 Nov 2019, 13:30 
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notfound123 wrote:
Nearly all modern tensors are meant for looping/counter-looping away from the table. Too many good ones to recommend. Anything that's not too hard or too soft will work for your needs just fine. Pick any modern tensor rubber and the rest is just your technique.


Not heard of Subdue ... After practicing some of my Google-Fu (I consider myself Brown Belt/Sash), I discovered that's it's Sword Subdue - a 2-speed blade, with a rather low throw-angle ...Please tell me something more about your experience with this blade...What LP did you use with it .. ?

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PostPosted: 13 Nov 2019, 19:58 
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Blade: DHS Long 5
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Thank you all.

I know that the tensors are easier to counterloop with. And with a good technique you can play with every rubber.
I am playing at the highest regional level so mine technique is certainly not the best but my FH loop is relatively good.

But there is ofc a difference between all those rubbers. I just wanted to know if there is a good combination between the VKM and one of those rubbers. I think a relatively harder faster rubber will compensate for the slower blade. I'am used to the DHS Long 5.


@Iskandar; I refuse to buy the overpriced butterfly rubbers........ 8)

Greetings!


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PostPosted: 13 Nov 2019, 23:12 
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Both of the two Xiom rubbers that you mentioned are great looping rubbers.


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If you're looking for harder tensors, perhaps the Evolution MX-P 50 or the new Stiga DNA Pro H could fit.


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Victas blade is meant for Victas rubber, just saying :lol:

Myself I am using Victas V>15 extra on VKM offensive and I have tried it on the regular VKM as well. It's a pretty hard rubber. MXP is great as well but it doesn't work too well (for me) during summer months when it's hot and humid out.


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FH: 2.0 andro rasanter R47
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T05 is still the best counter looping rubber I have ever tried.


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Heck, Joo can't be wrong.. :lol:

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I use the VKM blade as well and have used Xiom Vega Japan for about 5-6 years now. I have found it just about perfect for looping, counter-looping, and also FH chopping. I use MAX now, but used 2.0mm for a number of years. I didn't find control to suffer much at all when moving up to MAX sponge, but looping and counter-looping improved quite a bit.

Not sure of your playing level, but I'm around 1900-2000 USATT and haven't found any weaknesses to the Vega Japan/VKM combo. If I miss a shot, I don't ever blame the rubber.

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PostPosted: 19 Nov 2019, 19:50 
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Blade: DHS Long 5
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Thanks for the suggestions! :up:

I remember the Xiom Vega Japan is heavy.
Because I play with a pimps in rubber to defend with a 1.5mm sponge I 'am affraid the total weight of the setup will be a bit heavy.

Thinking of buying the Xiom Omega 7 PRO or Europe. They say they are not heavy.

Is counter looping easier with the harder and thicker sponge?

Greetings


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Should be easier, since the ball won't bottom out as easily. Probably depends on how hard your counterloops are.

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PostPosted: 20 Nov 2019, 23:48 
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will partly depend on how much capault the rubber has, as a low catapult hard rubber like H3 will require a lot more effort than say Rasanter 47, Omega 7 pro or MXP


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