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 Post subject: New Long Pimples
PostPosted: 25 Sep 2020, 02:33 
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It does seem to be such a long time since a new ‘wonder’ long pimple has hit the market. By wonder long pip I mean one that a lot of players change to. I know many of us try out other pips but the majority of us return to the one we feel comfortable with. It does such a long time since we had a wow rubber maybe the technology has reached its peak and it’s only the marketing machine that keeps churning the same old same old eg Dr N!!! Anyone know of any news ones worth trying


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 Post subject: Re: New Long Pimples
PostPosted: 25 Sep 2020, 04:07 
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Blade: Nittaku Shake Defense
FH: Nittaku Fastarc C-1 1.8mm
BH: Hellfire X OX
If your game is blocking at the table and attacking with pips, I think the Hellfire X in OX is definitely worth trying. I found it to be very safe and offering better passive spin reversal than anything else I've tried, while also making chop-blocking easy. I would be using it myself if I didn't need something that's also reliable for chopping, which I found to be too difficult to do reliably with this rubber.

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I. Re-Impact Tachi Plus 2019; FH: Nittaku FastArc G-1 1.4mm; BH: Saviga 77 Monster OX
II. Re-Impact Turbo; FH: Spinlord Sandwind 1.5mm; BH: DMS Kamikaze OX
III. Re-Impact Smart; FH: TSP Spinpips RED 2.1mm; BH: Dr. Neubauer Gangster OX
IV. Sauer & Troger Firestarter; FH: Spinlord Waran 1.8mm; BH: Giant Dragon Snowflake OX


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 Post subject: Re: New Long Pimples
PostPosted: 25 Sep 2020, 04:54 
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I tried hellfire a while ago and it didn’t trouble my opponents enough. What is the difference with the X version


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 Post subject: Re: New Long Pimples
PostPosted: 25 Sep 2020, 08:54 
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Blade: Nittaku Shake Defense
FH: Nittaku Fastarc C-1 1.8mm
BH: Hellfire X OX
Never tried the original, so can't say.

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III. Re-Impact Smart; FH: TSP Spinpips RED 2.1mm; BH: Dr. Neubauer Gangster OX
IV. Sauer & Troger Firestarter; FH: Spinlord Waran 1.8mm; BH: Giant Dragon Snowflake OX


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 Post subject: Re: New Long Pimples
PostPosted: 25 Sep 2020, 16:02 
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There's a new variant of DMS L.S.D, called L.S.D Extra Long ... haven't had a chance to play with it .. just saw the reviews .. as per DMS, the length of the pips is to the max of the permitted limit.. however, I'm not sure whether turn-out to be the wonder pip.. too soon to say (??)


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 Post subject: Re: New Long Pimples
PostPosted: 26 Sep 2020, 10:07 
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Blade: dr neubauer firewall +
FH: DHS skyline 3 neo 2.15 mm
BH: Dr. Neubauer Agressor 1.5
i'm presently experiencing all around LPs. Looking for a rubber that can do between good to pretty good in all the sphere of lp shots. I'm presently pretty happy with the spinlord sternenfall 1.5 mm. It has an excellent control fo the ball on all aspects of the game. I would consider it has one of the most versatile Lp I played in the last 15 years. The shops can vary from no spin to heavy underspin depending of the angle of the hit. The pips have a good distance between each other making it possible to play heavly with the pips or the sponge. The pipos are quite long and soft so underspin chop can be made playing more with the pips than the sponge. The rubber is quite smooth. You can block rapidly or softly. The placement is incredible. You can hit fast with a no spin ball as well as with a closed counter hit against backspin or heavy loop. Chopblock are ok to surprise sometime. Short hit are are quite feasible so the opponent can have problem to figure you next shot. Long defense surprised many with ton of backspin.

I remember having hard time with a kind of player who play slow and with no spin ball. I was not able to play with my PR1 with him. The counter hit is quite difficult. I got frustrated. So I changed rubber that have stiff pips and very good control. But when I met an opponent who has strong loop it was too fast and spinny and going back to defend with this kind of Lp was not an option. No underspin. You often heard ' YOU CAN'T HAVE IT ALL. I don't know eactly why but this Lp I'm quite satisfactory with it. very passive opponent: switch to a hitting mode with a lot of placement. Very loopy opponent: counter hit, go back on long defense if necessary, change spin in defense, surprise with counterhit midtable. Rip shop the guy. etc.

I have been looking for this kind of Lp for a long time. Be able to switch from defense to offense in a click ! Available in ukraine. Maximum table tennis.


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 Post subject: Re: New Long Pimples
PostPosted: 30 Sep 2020, 01:43 
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As someone who played OX long pips for many years, switching to the new frictionless antispin rubbers has been a revelation for me. I'm using DMS Scandal, and in my opinion there's no long pip that even comes close in terms of blocking close to the table, if that is your preferred style. Granted, it's not as easy to control as long pips, but if you train with it, and like to play defense close to the table, you will enjoy the ability to drop balls short, and the massive spin reversal you can get. To me, the "next big thing" for close to the table blockers isn't a long pip, but it's a frictionless anti.

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 Post subject: Re: New Long Pimples
PostPosted: 30 Sep 2020, 07:11 
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https://m.eacheng.net/SANWEI-DZ-OX-p1112017.html

RUSSIAN young hopeful 13 yo using this novelty product by SANWEI. Backhand fast block / attack style to confuse opponent.

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 Post subject: Re: New Long Pimples
PostPosted: 30 Sep 2020, 22:46 
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TraditionalTradesman wrote:
If your game is blocking at the table and attacking with pips, I think the Hellfire X in OX is definitely worth trying. I found it to be very safe and offering better passive spin reversal than anything else I've tried, while also making chop-blocking easy. I would be using it myself if I didn't need something that's also reliable for chopping, which I found to be too difficult to do reliably with this rubber.


Hi TT The Hellfire X works for chopping well on all to all+ blades with a hard outer layer (yanka hardness above 1200).
The best suitable blade is Sauer&Troger Unicorn. I have a friend who chops with Hellfire X in OX on Unicorn blade
from the distance. He can chop with it from the forehand and backend and manages to get lots of backspin.
The balls fly low and loaded so the attacker has to put a lot of action in the topspin shot.
Try it and you will stay with it as this combi provides towards the allround game.
With your level of skills you should manage it easily.


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 Post subject: Re: New Long Pimples
PostPosted: 30 Sep 2020, 23:33 
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Blade: Nittaku Shake Defense
FH: Nittaku Fastarc C-1 1.8mm
BH: Hellfire X OX
redspot wrote:
Hi TT The Hellfire X works for chopping well on all to all+ blades with a hard outer layer (yanka hardness above 1200). The best suitable blade is Sauer&Troger Unicorn. I have a friend who chops with Hellfire X in OX on Unicorn blade from the distance. He can chop with it from the forehand and backend and manages to get lots of backspin.
The balls fly low and loaded so the attacker has to put a lot of action in the topspin shot.Try it and you will stay with it as this combi provides towards the allround game.With your level of skills you should manage it easily.


Thanks for the tip. I won't try the Unicorn blade because it's way too heavy. Also, I like oversized blades. And the other thing is that I've gotten quite comfortable with the Bomb Talent at this point. It seems to do everything I need, so while the Hellfire has a bit more passive spin reversal, I can throw in active chop-blocks with the BT easily enough to change the pace and spin, so that I don't feel like I'm missing out on much.

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III. Re-Impact Smart; FH: TSP Spinpips RED 2.1mm; BH: Dr. Neubauer Gangster OX
IV. Sauer & Troger Firestarter; FH: Spinlord Waran 1.8mm; BH: Giant Dragon Snowflake OX


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 Post subject: Re: New Long Pimples
PostPosted: 10 Oct 2020, 21:02 
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I have previously posted on the Hellfire X and as per Redspot's comments this rubber with the Unicorn blade for me can literally do everything. I play predominantly in competitions with the Hellfire X on my forehand about 80% of the time but can easily do 80% on my backhand.

This allows me to be both passive and aggressive in terms of blocking, chopping and hitting. This has given me so many options on different styles I can use and it's actually beyond competing right now but simply having fun to be able to handle a pip that easily.

I'm getting to a point where I allow the opponent to get their first attack in and then try to win the point because when I get to attack first with between 60 to 75% power, I get to string together consistent strokes and win the the majority of the rallys because the dead skidding effect is soo disruptive for an opponent. This is especially when you shift between backhand and forehand placement. I get to "rally" with the pip and within 3 to 6 strokes the errors pile up from the opponents. So if the oppent has excellent feel and control they can guide the hit ball back but not with quality and then you have the option to pivot and kill or twiddle and kill.

The blade and rubber combination is the real next level for me personally. I have the Hellfire X on my other blade the Jhang Jike Super zlc. Obviously much faster then the all wood Unicorn but this has its own advantages and disadvantages. If I want to play a full on attack game with no passive intention then that's the what I will use. Unfortunately not nearly as accurate as the Unicorn but the simple flat hit strokes which I hit in a few different styles are more deadly and the rally is won or lost generally in under 4 strokes. With this blade I can play from zone 2 and cause many problems for my opponent. The big advantage is that because I'm further away I can twiddle and Topspin with my forehand and then twiddle again and hit the flat ball which requires the oppent to be very focused on what I'm doing.

Passive blocks are not effective and travel too long and which is exactly what the strong loopers relish on.


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 Post subject: Re: New Long Pimples
PostPosted: 11 Oct 2020, 03:04 
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Blade: Nittaku Shake Defense
FH: Nittaku Fastarc C-1 1.8mm
BH: Hellfire X OX
Since I'd previously only tried the Hellfire on my Re-Impact balsa blade, I was curious, after reading some of these thoughts, to give it a try it on the Nittaku Shake Defense blade I've been using lately, and I found that the issue with chopping that I'd had with this rubber on the balsa blade disappeared completely. What a difference a blade makes, huh?! The Hellfire is a bit faster on the Nittaku Shake Defense, but the trajectory of the ball against strong loops is pretty nasty -- low, fast, often swerving, and with the highest spin reversal of any long pips rubber I've tried in the post-ABS-ball era (that last part was true when I tried this rubber on my balsa blade as well, but the spin reversal on this blade might be even a tad higher). It doesn't have quite the soft touch that the Bomb Talent has (with that rubber I can do magnificent drop shots that either win points outright or send the opponent scrambling towards the net and then do an aggressive deep push against the inevitably short return on the next ball, a winning combination in most situations), but it makes up for it with its capabilities against loops. So with the major obstacle I had before (chopping being too inconsistent) having been overcome by the change in blade, I'll try this rubber out for a bit to see how it goes....

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III. Re-Impact Smart; FH: TSP Spinpips RED 2.1mm; BH: Dr. Neubauer Gangster OX
IV. Sauer & Troger Firestarter; FH: Spinlord Waran 1.8mm; BH: Giant Dragon Snowflake OX


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 Post subject: Re: New Long Pimples
PostPosted: 12 Oct 2020, 10:11 
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Somebody knows? If analogue of rubber Giant Dragon Talon OX?


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