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PostPosted: 22 Nov 2020, 03:14 
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Another blog? Well, I made the first post on my other blog (Def-attack's attempts to find balance between defence/attack) almost 8 years ago, and I must say, I kind of feel like that subject is not a big issue any more.

Later I have been struggeling more with different injuries, hindering me from playing as much as I would like or as tough (for the body) as I would like. I have had problems with my neck (I am right handed but the pain is on my left side, from ear down to the shoulder and spine) for almost 3 years and during this ongoing pandemic it has gotten worse (due to bad posture when working at home). Also, this summer, I had my first more serious injury that stopped me from playing for a few weeks. I injured my lower back on the right sid, causing pain on fron and back of my upper right leg, as well as on the side (hip) of the leg. I have been doing some rehabilitations but I still feel a little pain and stiffnes in my muscles from this but I hope that I am almost recovered from that. But I need to built more muscles in those areas.

Also, and this I think many here at this forum struggles with :angel: , I am getting older (go figure :?: ). And with that my flexibility is getting worse, I am getting slower, I am getting less "bendy" (stiffer) and it takes more time to warm up. And the body hurts more after training.

All in all, I felt I needed to take more care of my body and perhaps adapt a few table tennis related things so I can continue to play table tennis for many more years. Having pain in my back, shoulders and neck (or elsewhere) frightens me, since it may be a sign that I won't be able to play table tennis and that would be a great loss for me :( . But, if I adapt I may be able to keep playing until I am no more :) .

The first thing I changed was my blade. When I realized I needed to do something about my pain in my lower back this sumer, I changed from the rather heavy blade Stiga Clipper to a balsa blade. I wanted a real light one but I could not find any one that worked good with my anti. The only one that felt good was the Sword Final Strike at 74 grams. Well, better than 93 gram Clipper. Also, the Sword is really excellent for blocking, both with anti and with inverted. It worked rather good but the blade is incredible fast (10 mm balsa core and walnut outer ply) and I searched for a similar blade with thinner balsa core. I tried TSP Balsa 8.5 mm but the harder outer ply and carbon layers kills the back spin at blocks.

This is how my match game looks like for the moment (a month ago):


So my next move was to contact Re-Impact to ask Achim there if he had a blade that would suit my style. Anyone who has been in touch with Achim knows he won't answer a short question like that without finding out more :) . So we had a long conversation by mail and then he asked if I wanted to be a test player for him. That sounded like a great idea, so after more conversations I am now waiting for a blade to try, designed to work optimal for my style (he calls it Chevanti ;) https://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=37441). And it will be designed to help me with my different lower back issues. It might even work better for my neck as well. He will put a different handle on it, like a cork screw, forcing me to hold my bat in a better position, for better looping and for better body position. I am really eager to try this one. But I do not have that blade just yet, I need to wait a little more.

So, while waiting, I wanted to try a different style. Mostly to keep the table tennis interesting during this long and booooring pandemic time (I am allowed to practice in small groups, but there is no league game and no competitions at least until end of January). Also, I have this suspicion that my neck problems may be related to my style of table tennis, with blocking close to the table and than attack back spin with loops. I got my neck problems almost 3 years ago and I started to play with anti 5 years ago. But I needed more than a year to develop this style to how I play today, keeping close to the table. So it could be because of this style my muscels in my neck slowly got more and more irritated. Therefore, I now use madium pips on BH, to play more offensive and keep the pace of the ball better on my BH side. I still use my BH to confuse my opponent but with this rubber I can attack with more speed and keep the ball going when I started my attacking game. This gives another balance to my game than with the super slow anti on BH.

So, for now I am using a Stiga Clipper Classic with medium pips Der Materialspezialist Flashback 1,5 mm red on BH and Yinhe Jupiter II on FH. I really like the Clipper blade, that was the first blade I ever bought back in 1988 (after leaving the pre-made bats). It feels so familiar to me.
This is how my game looks with this setup (well, this is a special match where I face a lefty with medium pips Keiler on FH, not your avarage opponent).


So, this blog will be about how these different paths - blades for anti and for helping my lower back, and trying other styles for balance, speed and for relaxing my neck during practice and match. If I will end up with a Re-Impact blade with medium or short pips on BH, I have no idea. As long as I can have fun with table tennis and stay healthy for a long time I am satisfyed!

Be well!

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PostPosted: 22 Nov 2020, 05:21 
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I had problems with my lower back for years.Also, with my hip.I discovered that by making the muscles in the back plus the glutes stronger the pain stopped.

I lift weights the days I don't train tt .Besides,for overall health, muscle growth means healthy bodies.There are also now quite a lot of supplements for joints and muscle recovery.I even use a natural supplement for the brain that helps me a lot to concentrate on my tough tt games .

Yes , the style also has a lot to do with injuries.Hence, it is mandatory to strengthen the muscles in the hip, the glutes,the hamstring,the quads.Powerful legs for a powerful game .Powerful brain for a powerful mind.In the end ,it is the mind that rules in tt.


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Pain of getting older and chronic injury! :lol:

I've had a lot of issues with different nagging body parts and things. My wrist was BLOWN out and do not think it will ever recover, maybe with surgery. That one aside, my back, lumbar and hip all took a turn being jerks! I would change to different technique... it worked for a while and then BAM! Another injury to the spot that had taken up the slack. That happened a few times, just moving the chronic injuries around.

By chance, talking to one older player and asking him about his loop as well as watching players like Liu Song - I developed a 'whip' loop on the forehand side. Some people use lumbar rotation, or thoracic, or arm swing etc. I have gone the Liu Song route and try to exclusively use the hip action only. No or barely any lumbar rotation. Although mine probably uses more arm power than I should be using... at any rate, this technique change which I put into practice months ago has alleviated essentially all of my problems. I no longer feel any pain or aches in the joints, bones etc. only in the muscles themselves. That to me is a good thing, since a muscle gets sore from being worked and after resting, it comes back stronger.

Point of all that rubbish being, maybe you are suffering from some technique issues - overusing, overtensing, overcompensating etc. I find trying to relax essentially every muscle that is able to be relaxed helps remove all sorts of problems.

In addition to finding a technique that works, you can cut down on movement by focusing on the BH blocking and using that to setup your attacks - as opposed to trying to step around the BH so much. Also in my case, chopping away from the table is less damaging on my body than trying to block and side step for FH winners. Even though the legs are moving more with chopping, going in and out, the movements are less explosive and less damaging in my case.

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PostPosted: 22 Nov 2020, 18:13 
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Thnk you for sharing! Weight lifting is important as a part of preparing the body and rehabiliting it. I believe it is even more important as you get older and muscles disappear in higher pace.

Loosing weight may be another thing to get better. I tried that this spring (7 kg) and see where that brought me :D. Well, it got me practicing tt more and that got me injured since my body was not ready for that... But loosing another 5 kg would do me very good, I'll try that after christmas.

That whip technique may have a lot to do with being able to relax most of the body through the stroke. I think I have some unneccesary tension in my body when playing that I need to get rid of. For example, I need to keep my left arm higher during playing. I may be having a too low position, forcing my body to work more than neccesary.

Defensive playing style may be better for some part of the body but BH chopping may be hard on your elbow, and that moving pattern may be har on your knees. But the thing with medium pips is that I can play that style as well against some opponents :).

Keep sharing and let us all get older and healthier :)

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PostPosted: 23 Nov 2020, 10:23 
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Just when I read you had a recurring neck issue, I immediately thought of over tensing. I was doing dips on the parallel bars one day and my neck goes POP! turns out I'd been craning my head forward like a moron for some reason! Fixed that by being aware of the body parts.

So with the neck, maybe you're being super tense in certain motions and causing the antagonistic muscles to battle each other resulting in the injuries.

I like to train on the robot and get myself sore the next day so I can see which muscles I'm over using. At first it was the upper back being sore, then it was the pec... then the shoulder, then the obliques and just recently it was the triceps. When I train sore, I can feel which muscle to relax otherwise I feel that soreness kicking in.

Has been a big learning curve!

For the chopping stuff, yeah it has a different set of demands on the body. But if you're doing big loop attempts often, to my assessment, it works the body a lot harder than running a bit in and out and left to right eith chopping. So if the actual loop is your problem, then chopping reduces the amount you need to use it. Guys like greg letts, paul pinkewich, Roland Krmaschek, the chet, bennborn and the like are older players who still use a defensive away from the table style. Just meaning that it is possible to be fairly passive chopping and not be tremendously hard on the body. I think you'll find more passive geezers than power loopers!

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