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Hey guys, I cannot quite get a detailed answer through my searches online. So I'm hoping i can get it by asking here.

ABS 2 EVO. What happens to this clearly treated frictionless anti spin over time. Does it gain grip? Sponge become faster? Less reversal? Change of arc?

I ask for 2 reasons. I accidentally washed it a bit with water and swiped it with a card like I do all my rubbers due to a sweat stain that didn't go away. I noticed a brown substance came off so I'm thinking once this layer of treatment starts to deteriorate the characteristics will too.

But the most important one is I really don't want to invest my time into it if I have to keep buying it 2 or 3 times every year when i can just use Dtecs instead and i would very much like to just stick to 1 from as early as possible.

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Can't say I have any experience on this matter but from reading posts under the "Anti" topic I get the impression that these frictionless antis do wear out rather quickly. And when they wear out, they GAIN friction (wouldn't make sense otherwise). As far as what causes them to gain friction, the loss of an applied anti-friction layer is as plausible as any other explanation, given we don't have any insider information from the manufacturer. I suppose it should be easy enough to destructively test a sheet by trying to remove this supposed anti-friction layer, but given what this stuff costs... I doubt anyone would sacrifice a sheet "in the interests of science"... :lol: I suppose, on the other hand, testing a cut-off piece would be doable...

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iskandar taib wrote:
Can't say I have any experience on this matter but from reading posts under the "Anti" topic I get the impression that these frictionless antis do wear out rather quickly. And when they wear out, they GAIN friction (wouldn't make sense otherwise). As far as what causes them to gain friction, the loss of an applied anti-friction layer is as plausible as any other explanation, given we don't have any insider information from the manufacturer. I suppose it should be easy enough to destructively test a sheet by trying to remove this supposed anti-friction layer, but given what this stuff costs... I doubt anyone would sacrifice a sheet "in the interests of science"... :lol: I suppose, on the other hand, testing a cut-off piece would be doable...

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I probably should have researched before buying and wanting to play with the anti because i probably wouldn't have even bothered to buy it tbh. It was the last day of the sale on tt11 so I panic bought haha.

I did see 1 post about the frictionless antis but then someone mentioned the ABS 2 EVO is more durable which gives me hope. But I've seen it too late lol

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I have the cleaner from DerMaterialspezialist and that seems to help it stay pretty slick. I've had the same sheet of Storkraft on my blade for probably 4 months now, playing multiple times per week, and it's still very slick.

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I have the cleaner from DerMaterialspezialist and that seems to help it stay pretty slick. I've had the same sheet of Storkraft on my blade for probably 4 months now, playing multiple times per week, and it's still very slick.


It seems I have to invest in this cleaner then. Gonna cost another 15 ish pounds to get that delivered...lovely. either this or just play Dtecs and be done with it all

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My experience with older ABS2 sheets is that you should not use cleaner from Der Materialspezialist on that rubber. For me the surface gained grip. Use a clean micro fiber cloth to clean it.

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My experience with older ABS2 sheets is that you should not use cleaner from Der Materialspezialist on that rubber. For me the surface gained grip. Use a clean micro fiber cloth to clean it.


Thanks for the heads up. I was thinking tbh that perhaps it's like this to make more money (the need to replace often). Because the ABS 2 EVO is actually REALLY nice and effective to play with. So this would be its downside.

I am very hesitant to buy that cleaner now hmm

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iskandar taib wrote:
these frictionless antis do wear out rather quickly. And when they wear out, they GAIN friction (wouldn't make sense otherwise).

Since we are talking about Dr. N antis here, this is not the case. They use a very thick, hard dampening sponge which will eventually become softer and faster and loses some control. This tends to happen (at least to me) well before I see any significant loss in spin reversal. You can clean the surface with a dry microfiber cloth.

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EVA THE MOST PECULIAR PLAYING MATERIAL OF ANYTHING ELSE.

EVA (foamiran) is a great novelty material for absorbing mechanical vebrations on impact.

EVA is the very material that Neubauer's ABS rubbers have got as shock dampening layer underneaf.
Formally speaking, EVA is not a legal product for table tennis coverings, it is scarcely stretchable and has not sufficient elasticity.

However, you can easily obtain sheets of EVA in many colours and many sizes at cheap cost.. My casual playmate used to couple lp and eva sheets thus getting a non-bounce combination to get people going mad.


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Dear Friends.

HEREBY, you all kindly invited to answer the questions attached below.

QUESTIONNAIRE.
on Dr. Neubauer ABS-2 ANTI rubbers (soft and hard sponge).

1) Is the sponge a porous material?
2) Is the sponge fragile upon stretching ?
3) Could you see "pockmarks" on rubber surface upon impact. If so, how soon did they go away? Are there some permanent pockmarks to stay for long, (for several minutes and longer?) , how big size? how many ones?

Thanks.

PS// some enlarged pictures of the pockmarks would be most welcomed.


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Dear Friends.

HEREBY, you all kindly invited to answer the questions attached below.

QUESTIONNAIRE.
on Dr. Neubauer ABS-2 ANTI rubbers (soft and hard sponge).

1) Is the sponge a porous material?
2) Is the sponge fragile upon stretching ?
3) Could you see "pockmarks" on rubber surface upon impact. If so, how soon did they go away? Are there some permanent pockmarks to stay for long, (for several minutes and longer?) , how big size? how many ones?

Thanks.

PS// some enlarged pictures of the pockmarks would be most welcomed.


I'm definitely not the man for this as I usually pay almost 0 attention to these details lol

But the sponge doesn't look porous and isn't fragile. At first I couldn't see or feel pockmarks until just recently when there were 2x discoloured patches at the point I hit most with, that's when I actually checked properly and found they stay for around about 30s compared to only maybe 0.5 in other places.

No point me taking a pic on the Samsung Galaxy S8

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