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I can't find topic on using LP for serving. There must be some help for this?

Any tricks or points appreciated.

Not a lot out there is there?

My feeble thoughts
1. You almost never see a top LP player who uses the LP to serve. There is a lesson in there for someone like me who is not anywhere as good.
2. I use an occasional LP serve in the following ways:
Long deep to BH. Unless they have a strong BH attack
Occasionally very short and low
Against inexperienced players I may do a tomahawk LP serve after I have done some spinney inverted tomahawk hoping for a pop up.

I too am interested in other responses.

With the blade held like this : practice backhand hitting or slapping the ball across the diagonal into their deep backhand or playing elbow,faster is better but takes a little time to master.
Alternatively cut quickly across the ball into their backhand,again as fast as possible, alternate and twiddle to use your smooth spinny rubber to confuse.
With the pips I use the fh tomahawk shoots off at a ridiculous angle to where it starts and I should use it more really,I don't even know where it's going myself!

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With ungrippy pips you can make the backspin stroke and the ball will fly spinless or with very little spin....at medium -low levels they will think the ball has strong backspin,they will chop the ball, especially if the serve goes to their fh,the ball will pop up and you can smash the high ball

Ruwen Filus uses LP serves. He uses one of the most grippy LPs, Feint Long 3...

Interesting. I have watched a good bit of him and I thought he essentially always used his inverted and flipped. If he does use LP it is pretty rare and supposedly his opponents missed it like I have!

Interesting. I have watched a good bit of him and I thought he essentially always used his inverted and flipped. If he does use LP it is pretty rare and supposedly his opponents missed it like I have![/quote]

Yes, pretty rare. 1, 2 maybe 3 times in a match. And opponents can't perform a killer attack to those serves. That services are short and low and spinny or some of them seems like spinny. Not so easy to predict the amount of spin or to react with a killer attack according to...
With FL3 you can manipulate the spin more than the other LPs.

If you have a good fast top spin side spin serve with your back hand inverted (twiddle), then the serves with your LP would be more effective. Hide your paddle under the table until you need to contact the ball. Slap the ball with your LP long hard into your opponent's elbow. Make the trajectory and speed look exactly like your serve with inverted.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxasP54 ... london2012

an example, see 3.34
he does it one after another...

I had a lot of success with LP serves with grippy pips. First one, a fast deep serve into their backhand corner that looks like top spin. Second one, after doing inverted backhand serves with heavy under spin, give the exact same motion but with the pips. You will get a lot of popped up balls with that one, at least the first couple times you do it.

I've had some players who never adjusted to the pips serve, and after the first game I went exclusively to it because it threw them off so badly. Others it doesn't bother at all after the first one.

My recommendation, late in the first game try one or two after you've had time to set it up. If it works and gets you an easy point, keep doing it (but moving around placement) until they figure it out, because some players never will.

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Greg Letts has a pretty good video on serving with long pips/anti -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRRuj3jPnZk

He is not a fan of using it for higher level play.

Back in the old days, you could have both sides of the racket black. It was fun to twiddle and serve with the long pips. The return would come back high. Really high.

Unfortunately I wasn't that good at killing high balls..

There are still people who do this.. watch Manika Bhatra. She's constantly twiddling under the table, not just for serves, but also serve returns. If you play against her you'd really have to pay attention.

Iskandar