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I've seen some posts about the LP sideswipe, personally it's my go to shot against passive underspin balls to my backhand. It's a great way to pressure opponents, open up a FH attack, and sometimes just win the point outright.

I'm curious what are people feelings/attitude towards long pips that are GOOD for sideswipes, ( I mean grippyness or lack thereof, how much sponge, soft or hard etc.)
Of course the blade can have a great effect too

I'd say in the past when I used a JSH blade and P-1r with 1.0 I had a very deadly swipe. It was fast, deadish spinwise, this could catch people off guard and be forced to lift the ball back making for an easy attack. Of course this required a pretty good read of spin. I've played with ox and actually felt not as secure, like I had to rely more on my opponents spin and hope for some reversal to keep the ball down. I know some people are great at this with ox however,

Curious to hear peoples thoughts

I've used a lot of LPs, and sideswipe seems to work well with all of them. I mainly use it when attacking a backspin ball, where the brushing action of the side-swipe just gives more control. It's probably easier with more grippy LPs, but I think we naturally adjust to whichever ones we're using.

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First off I'd like to say that seeing your setup on the side makes me want to watch you play so badly! I would love to know how you find your blade and LPs feel and play (especially on that blade)

I haven't tried many but since I came back to TT last year and chose to use LPs I really put in a lot of work to get the more active shots in. I've only recently tried 0.5 and 1mm sponge (although they were both FL2 and not Dtecs) and I can honestly say there was almost no delay in getting used to it. Whether or not its more effective I didn't play enough opponents to tell you but I do notice with the sponge (especially the 1mm) I can actually do a BH loop stroke and it's pretty effective!

Sorry I also tried 388d and Troublemaker OX too. Again not much difference. The biggest thing I noted was that Dtecs OX requires less bat adjustment and is faster so can do more with less basically (at least that's how it feels).

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My sideswipe, much like the rest of my game needs work...

My observation, for what it's worth, is that this shot tends to be more disruptive with a softer LP, because the bending of the pips often creates more of a flutter effect. Also, while it differs a bit from one LP to another, I tend to do this shot when the ball is around or a bit above net height, since that way I can generally not worry too much about blade angle (meaning, just keep it at around a 90 degree angle) and just brush a bit down and sideways.

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Qing Soft on the default 0.5 is good.

I (used to) play penhold LP, so the sideswipe is a main weapon, to set up the twiddle inverted smash/loopkill

a lot of times, I brush it upwards with a spoon-like stroke.

The ball was annoying enough, a no spin wobbling ball to a little topspin one, they returned high and I twiddle.
(You know what happens next)

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Haha, I really shouldn't make excuses equipment-wise. As you guys stated, when it comes down to it all LPs can be effective for swipes. At the pro level we've seen both Ruwen Filus and Chen use the shot effectively, both with grippy pips and a good amount of sponge. At the high-amateur level Amelnik and Pushblocker have shown us how devastating OX can be.

Side note, anyone else feel like it's actually pretty hard to practice this shot? I chop-block and chop for loopers to practice, occasional they push and I get to practice the shot. But I feel like I need WAY more repetition. Also I have to adjust to the type of player I'm against. Some people push heavy, some very light, and the most troubling are those who can greatly vary the spin.

Still a dicey shot for me, some days I have it, other days I'm just off.

And this is exactly why I always say to people that LPs are not a crutch and are actually really hard to be very good with. I always stress this to the people that ask me the ridiculous and patronising question "what made you want to use LPs..."

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I do prefer LP's with a small amount of grip. I always have problems with Grass dTecs for its lack of grip.

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