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...Getting some players to agree is often a different case. They often believe they do nothing wrong. Or at least they say they believe this! :roll:


After a player loses a few points because of illegal service, next time you will not see him to serve illegally. With some exceptions, surely.

So you will not have to get him to agree. :)
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This from a german forum, posted by Adham:

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So, unless you are playing at an ITTF event, there will be no enforcement of the friction rule other than the approved rubbers list. With other words, the rule of so called "modified" rubbers will not be enforced at non ITTF events (as the testing equipment is too expensive).
With other words - there is no planned enforcement of the friction rule at non ITTF events.. Therefore, things like "aging" a rubber and other techniques to reduce friction will not be tested for. If a rubber is on the list, you are allowed to use it ;-)

Hi Adam,

This is very sensible and welcome news. I applaud you Sir. Will this be considered an official rule or policy?

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This from a german forum, posted by Adham:

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So, unless you are playing at an ITTF event, there will be no enforcement of the friction rule other than the approved rubbers list. With other words, the rule of so called "modified" rubbers will not be enforced at non ITTF events (as the testing equipment is too expensive).
With other words - there is no planned enforcement of the friction rule at non ITTF events.. Therefore, things like "aging" a rubber and other techniques to reduce friction will not be tested for. If a rubber is on the list, you are allowed to use it ;-)

Hi Adam,

This is very sensible and welcome news. I applaud you Sir. Will this be considered an official rule or policy?


Hi mynamenotbob

Could you, please, post a direct link to this quotation?

It sounds strange to me, because as presideint of ITTF Adham is only in charge of ITTF events.

He can neither allow nor forbid anything at "non ITTF events".
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That came from a post by Haggisv in the Equipment Section titled "Friction Testing." http://forum.oneofakindtrading.com.au/v ... php?t=5160

I imagine it originated at ttnews.de but don't know for sure. Haggisv can fill you in better.

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Yes it did come from there, but I also quoted someone that was quoting :D ... so i it might be hard to find the original... I'm sure Adham can confirm that it's authentic...

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Yes it did come from there, but I also quoted someone that was quoting :D ... so i it might be hard to find the original... I'm sure Adham can confirm that it's authentic...


Hi haggisv

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I have just searched for this quotation at http://forum.tt-news.de/. I didn't find it.
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I've just googled for the quote, and found it quoted at about.com as well:
http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=28733&nav=messages&webtag=ab-tabletennis

We'll have to wait for Adham to come here to confirm... I'll certainly check the source better next time I quote something :oops: :wink:

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Gotta hand it to him...he is a Smart Guy for picking this up! Not like you to be caught out like this Haggisv! :wink: :lol: :lol:

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...And I guess I'm just not living in a culture where the "spirit" of the law is allowed to completely override the letter of the law as Adham has indicated, because I simply don't understand how the spirit of the law can be allowed to wipe out the letter of the law. ...


There is another way, executive officials can override both the letter and the spirit of the law - simply to postpone its implementation.

As Adham wrote in this thread about implementation of the service rule: "In the long run we may achieve that."

6 Years after the service rule was adopted! :evil:
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...I do agree with you that the objective should be to have a common standard and according to the written rule. In the long run we may achieve that.

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Hi Adham.

I would not like to speculate, whether "in the long run" means days, weeks, or months, perhaps even years.

That's why my question.

Are ITTF (umpires, referees, officials etc) going to fully implement the valid, 6 years old service rule at the next ITTF event?


According to reports I receive and at the events I attend, they seem to do just that, however, there are always those that don't. If they are in flagrant non-conformity to the rule, then they are usually not selected for another world event, or for further matches within the same event unless they are ready to implement the rule according to the standard set for the event.

I wish sport and its rules were as black and white as you would like them to be, our life would be made much simpler.

I don't envy the Football (Soccer) referees calling penalty shots or the linesmen calling off-side. Or worst even is the "interference" rule in Squash (Let, or Stroke).

By the way, do you umpire? at what level? Do you set the example with your colleagues? If you do, I congratulate you and keep the good work.

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mynamenotbob wrote:
This from a german forum, posted by Adham:

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So, unless you are playing at an ITTF event, there will be no enforcement of the friction rule other than the approved rubbers list. With other words, the rule of so called "modified" rubbers will not be enforced at non ITTF events (as the testing equipment is too expensive).
With other words - there is no planned enforcement of the friction rule at non ITTF events.. Therefore, things like "aging" a rubber and other techniques to reduce friction will not be tested for. If a rubber is on the list, you are allowed to use it ;-)

Hi Adam,

This is very sensible and welcome news. I applaud you Sir. Will this be considered an official rule or policy?


Stop the applause. Unfortunately this is taken out of context. I was replying to a player that said that he plays in tournaments where there is no racket control. He wanted to know how will he know if a rubber is legal. So, I answered that in such a case, he should refer to the authorized racket covering list. I also indicated that at that level we play with the "honour" system. I also explained that at ITTF events we have racket control at all events. By the way, in the same German Forum I was informed that they do have racket control in some areas at the regional and even local level. They learn how to do it and then teach others etc. They have invested in the testing equipment and indicated that they will go to the smallest events and test (in their region).

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Adham, not sure about you, but I'm getting tired of this "serve throw" discussion, so on with something more interesting :wink:

Since the frictionless ban... :oops: Sorry, since minimum the friction limit was introduced, more and more former long pips players turns to anti.

As always, the manufacturers all claims that they have the rubbers that plays almost the same as the now banned (or should it be "removed from the ITTF authorization list"?) rubbers.

We all know it isn't so, they are simple not there yet, but within time, I think they might actually get there. Since the minimum level of friction was introduced to prevent cheating by post factory treatment of the pips, will any action be made towards anti if they reach the same results as the frictionless pips did?

Understand my concern, especially now with the ongoing trial (ITTF vs TTMaster) were the rubbers were approved, within the limits but the removed due to some strange rule about being detrimental to the game. A rule that can be used towards any rubber... I do hope this wont be used against anti!


There is no plan with regards to Anti rubber. I have not heard or seen any proposal regarding Anti. The TT-Master case is not as you state, but it's better not to open this subject now as the matter is in the courts.

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haggisv wrote:
Yes it did come from there, but I also quoted someone that was quoting :D ... so i it might be hard to find the original... I'm sure Adham can confirm that it's authentic...


It does not seem like a direct quote, some of the words I do not usually use. The meaning was as follows:

- If you are playing in an ITTF event there is racket control and everything is checked.
- If you are playing in an event that does not have racket control, then of course you are playing within the confines of the "honour system" and your reference would be the ITTF's authorized racket covering list.
- By no means can the ITTF legislate or create a policy for non-ITTF events as someone aptly put it.

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I've just googled for the quote, and found it quoted at about.com as well:
http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=28733&nav=messages&webtag=ab-tabletennis

We'll have to wait for Adham to come here to confirm... I'll certainly check the source better next time I quote something :oops: :wink:


Tis is very strange, I never posted anything at About.com. I only recollect posting something similar at the German Forum, but the actual quote you posted sounds strange to me. It looks like someone added their own comments "with other words", I never say that. I say "In other words", so it may be my quote all right, but with an explanation by someone edited in.

In any case, I explained the situation in a few posts here today.

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