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What would be the best for beginner to learn traditional penhold backhand smash, start with slow speed and try to land it on the opposite table as much as possible or start a bit faster with small percentage of landings on the opposite table ?

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Red Acuda P1

I see a lot of old school J-Pen players who never switched in KOrea, they just let it rip if it is in their zone and they like it, they kinda streaky.

I saw about zero new beginning players with J-pen over there, I think the J-Pen party is about over, unless Ryu Seung Min's sons learn J-Pen.

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Gambler All Rosewood
Aurus Soft / Gambler GXL .6 sponge

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To answer the question though...I'd start slow landing as many as possible and build up speed from there.

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if you have someone to spar with you then go with the slow approach...

if in the middle of a game, just let it rip!
if it's slow the opponent is going to hit it hard back at you, so you might as well hit it hard in the first place...

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Thanks for all your advices.

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Expert II crwi C-Pen
Red Acuda P1

don't listen to Der Ecthe. I've heard the about the demise of penholder for years. I agree that innovation for the J pens is limited but there are Japanese and Korean clubs that are 90% j pen on the web. I feel that it isn't the grip...it is athletic ability and coaching.

I've a few expensive j pens and it is my weakest discipline. what you need to do in j pen is master the change in grip from forehand to backhand.

for smashing, if you have a good blade and rubber, master coming across the top of the ball as the ball gets higher.

Hey TT Doc, I live closer to you than you might realize One day we might meet at a club or tourney. Bring Ur WMD.

Still, advising people to not listen to me is for the most part generally good advise, I have a rep of being full of crap and trying to be the funny guy and failing. I stand by my J-Pen Korea comments, I was boots on ground over there a good spell and was one with their TT community.

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Gambler All Rosewood
Aurus Soft / Gambler GXL .6 sponge

Status - Out of Business Janitor/Babysitter

Der Eecte, Your credentials are impressive. Maybe I'm just a hopeless romantic about penholds. First saw them in the 60's when they came for ping pong diplomacy. University of Maryland. The US team won one match. And even he was or oriental heritage albeit penhold.

I reduced the speed and land 25% more on the opposite table
It is an improvement and I believe that as time passes it will increase some more.

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Expert II crwi C-Pen
Red Acuda P1

good job!

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I have zero against Penhold, especially the J-Pen that is going away for the most part. In the 70s/80s, it was over 90% J-pen. by late 2000s, maybe 85-90% shakehand, 5-10% C-Pen and remainder J-Pen. Among the top amatures, different as most of the top amatures are over 40 yrs old. The division 3 national and above field (2000 USATT starters at div 3 and 2400 USATT at top s of Div 1 Natl) is kinda like 20-30% J-Pen, 10-20% C-Pen, and 60%+ shakehand.

Very little TT credentials, being Janitor of a new TT outfit isn't a whole lotta cred. President of a TT association in Korea getting sponsored primarily from a continued large forum presence, being full of crap, and Korean speaking skills shouldn't carry a lot of cred either. I do, however, have an ability to have a rip roaring blast wherever I go, maybe that is it. Our CEO is elite though.

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Gambler All Rosewood
Aurus Soft / Gambler GXL .6 sponge

Status - Out of Business Janitor/Babysitter

One of my most difficult opponents in my club is a J-penner who twiddles a lot with Dawei 388D-1 on the FH and Rasant on the BH. He doesn't smash off the BH, but rather has an ultra spinny side-spin loop. He smashes with the pips off the FH, but mainly "loops" and pushes with them. How he manages to twiddle the j-pen so quickly and deftly, I don't know. Oh and his nationality is Taiwanese, so perhaps J-Pen is alive and well in Taiwan.

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I'm always in the dark, but the Dark sheds lights upon everything!! Beauty is only pimple deep! Beauty is in the eye of the pipholder!
S/U 1: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Andro Rasant 2.1 . BH Red Tibhar Grass Dtecs
S/U 2: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Hexer+ 2.1 . BH Red GD Talon
S/U 3: Blade: Bty Gergely . No rubbers...thinking of adding Red Dtecs and Black Rasant
Aussie Table Tennis Shop / Aussie Table Tennis Facebook Page / Equipment Review Index / Read my Reb Report Blog: click here.

Jpen is alive and well in Japan and Taiwan, like cpen in China and Singapore. But I agree with Der_Echte that the numbers in comparison as a whole.


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Hey aeoliah. I was just thinking about your original question. Reviewed some matches of rhy seung min and realize he had very few bachand winners. Jpen players usually have very Quick footwork and hit almost 90% forehands. I was a one sided Cpen player in my youth and except for returning serve I would go whole matches and hit nothing but forehands dominating points that way. I would attempt traditional Cpen backhand winner when I was up by 5 points or more if I was out of position. We were playing to 21 back then.

Hi Table Tennis Doc,
I play for fun and never join any tournament, and for me it does not matter if I lose. So I am now trying to learn the backhand smash but due to my old age, I do not know if I would reach a decent level

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Expert II crwi C-Pen
Red Acuda P1