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T64 feels a tad softer, but is much faster. The close to the table game is hard to execute precisely. That's with my hands, though.

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I have yet to try this, but I think I will! Thanks very much, strongpong.

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Blades: Butterfly Defence 3, Butterfly Defence Pro, Butterfly Innerforce ZLC, Butterfly Innershield, DHS Power G7, Stiga Offensive Classic Carbon
SPs: Friendship 802 (1.5), TSP Spectol (1.3, 1.8, 2.1), TSP Spectol Speed (1.3), TSP Super Spinpips Chop Sponge 2 (0.5, 1.3)
LPs: Butterfly Feint Long II (1), Butterfly Feint Long III (0.5, 1.3), Tibhar Grass D.TecS (OX), TSP Curl P1-R (0.5, 1, 1.3), TSP Curl P4 (1.3)

Dunc, T80 would be a lot better than T05 for a modern defender I would think -- although I have to say that I have only tried them in 2.1 mm, so maybe it would be different in the thicknesses you like. That could make a difference.

My experience with T64 is exactly like what Lorre just described.

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2.2 mm Nexy Karis M on FH and BH

T 80 is a very short living rubber,after 3 months speed dropped as well spin to. Top sheet color losses its shine and looks like was used for year or so.Pretty much same as donic baracuda. Disappointing considering the price of rubber.

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I don't think there's a new-era rubber that doesn't lose speed and spin after three months. I've used it for four months. It shone like a new one after four months of use.

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You're probably (and sadly) right Lorre. But at least the other modern generation rubbers aren't £52 per sheet.

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[Other gear I've used]
Blades: Butterfly Defence 3, Butterfly Defence Pro, Butterfly Innerforce ZLC, Butterfly Innershield, DHS Power G7, Stiga Offensive Classic Carbon
SPs: Friendship 802 (1.5), TSP Spectol (1.3, 1.8, 2.1), TSP Spectol Speed (1.3), TSP Super Spinpips Chop Sponge 2 (0.5, 1.3)
LPs: Butterfly Feint Long II (1), Butterfly Feint Long III (0.5, 1.3), Tibhar Grass D.TecS (OX), TSP Curl P1-R (0.5, 1, 1.3), TSP Curl P4 (1.3)

True. But they don't feel like a Tenergy either.

Besides, you need to think outside the box here: Butterfly only released a couple of series of new-era rubbers, the most prominent the Tenergy series. They do not significantly add other rubbers and about these new rubbers they don't say these are better then their Tenergy series. Other brands release three generations a year, the newest one (presumably?) better than the previous one. I know a lot of players who try these new rubbers, even if they're playing with the previous generation for rubbers. But this is another market strategy: you make a rubber that isn't the best, but comes close to Tenergy (this rubber is the current benchmark)/freshly glued old-style rubber and every new generation you make it better, but it's never a Tenergy/freshly glued old-style rubber.

Now: I buy let's say three Tenergies a year. I, however, don't have a temptation to buy another rubber to replace my Tenergy: I already have the best (this is the general view). Other brand users buy with the same frequency (three/year), but they have a temptation to buy another rubber, even if their current rubbers aren't worn out, because they don't have the best or because their current rubbers don't approach the old freshly glued rubbers. Even if they only give in to this temptation once (they buy four/year instead of three/year), they spend the same amount of money to their rubbers or even more.

Butterfly = market strategy 1, a very direct one (you pay more, but you have quality)
Other brands = market strategy 2, an indirect one (you pay less than Butterfly users, but you want the same as Butterfly users, so if you want that, you pay, depending on the frequency you give in to the temptations we offer you, an equal amount of Butterfly users or [that's what they hope] more [because you have the feeling of control and you feel like you pay less than a Butterfly user].

The smartest users=those who stick with the rubber they feel comfortable with.

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That's a good point - I'd never thought about it that way. You're probably spot on.

There are loads of rubbers I'd like to try (Bluefire JP, Omega V Pro etc) but I doubt any would be better for my game than the T80. I can't afford to try them when I have to replace my T80 every 6-8 weeks though!

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[Other gear I've used]
Blades: Butterfly Defence 3, Butterfly Defence Pro, Butterfly Innerforce ZLC, Butterfly Innershield, DHS Power G7, Stiga Offensive Classic Carbon
SPs: Friendship 802 (1.5), TSP Spectol (1.3, 1.8, 2.1), TSP Spectol Speed (1.3), TSP Super Spinpips Chop Sponge 2 (0.5, 1.3)
LPs: Butterfly Feint Long II (1), Butterfly Feint Long III (0.5, 1.3), Tibhar Grass D.TecS (OX), TSP Curl P1-R (0.5, 1, 1.3), TSP Curl P4 (1.3)

I used a four month old Tenergy 25 last night that I had not used for around two months. So rubber had only had two months of use. I gave it a decent clean before using it. The trajectory was so flat compared to when I first bought it! Friend reckoned the rubber was dead. It wasn't the slowness more the lack of grip. Also noticed my Tenergy 05fx has lost a fair bit of grip resulting in a lower trajectory. These rubbers need to be well looked after. A sheet of contact after use may well be the answer. On a separate point i have found the 05fx is so much slower than the 05 or 64 but does offer a higher trajectory.

I thought I'd updated this post, but I haven't. So I shall now!

I ended up buying another sheet of T80. 1.9mm. I also bought Falco Long and used it to boost my old, dead T80 back to life.

I played with the old boosted version for some time and it worked quite nicely. Then, as it started to dull again, I put the new sheet of T80 on.

That worked well enough for about two months - up until a fortnight ago, when I noticed it gradually starting to deaden. I've tried to boost it again (albeit with the glue still on), but it only has a very temporary effect.

It's an odd sensation when it starts to "die". It's like the sweet spot on the rubber gets much, much smaller. If I hit the ball perfectly in the middle of the bat now I can still get the catapult and speed.. but anywhere else and it completely feels like I've mis-hit the ball. A month ago I was getting the lovely, crisp sensation of perfect contact on nearly every forehand. Can't replicate that now at all.

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[Other gear I've used]
Blades: Butterfly Defence 3, Butterfly Defence Pro, Butterfly Innerforce ZLC, Butterfly Innershield, DHS Power G7, Stiga Offensive Classic Carbon
SPs: Friendship 802 (1.5), TSP Spectol (1.3, 1.8, 2.1), TSP Spectol Speed (1.3), TSP Super Spinpips Chop Sponge 2 (0.5, 1.3)
LPs: Butterfly Feint Long II (1), Butterfly Feint Long III (0.5, 1.3), Tibhar Grass D.TecS (OX), TSP Curl P1-R (0.5, 1, 1.3), TSP Curl P4 (1.3)

The difference between tenergy and 729 general is 80 dollars. At three per year thats a whole tournament in Melbourne, travel both ways and a night in a luxury hotel . Tenergy doesn't even make more spin, just feels more like jelly ?.

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I get a minimum of three months of use from T80 but I use it on my backhand.

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That old glue may be the problem... it not only stops the booster from soaking into the sponge, it also adds a harder layer and small gaps (where it's uneven). I know it can be a pain to get the stuff off though.

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Hah that isn't quite true though, is it...


Aye, I did wonder about that. It appears to get through to the sponge after a few hours because it curls the rubber a small amount, but I suspect you're right about it creating a harder layer too. It is a major pain having to take the glue off though as it's nearly impossible to avoid pitting the rubber and it takes ages and a significant amount of effort I think I'll endeavour to take the glue off both of my rubbers over the weekend and reboost them from scratch anyway.

That obviously isn't the root of the initial problem though as both rubbers were unboosted completely before they "died".

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[Other gear I've used]
Blades: Butterfly Defence 3, Butterfly Defence Pro, Butterfly Innerforce ZLC, Butterfly Innershield, DHS Power G7, Stiga Offensive Classic Carbon
SPs: Friendship 802 (1.5), TSP Spectol (1.3, 1.8, 2.1), TSP Spectol Speed (1.3), TSP Super Spinpips Chop Sponge 2 (0.5, 1.3)
LPs: Butterfly Feint Long II (1), Butterfly Feint Long III (0.5, 1.3), Tibhar Grass D.TecS (OX), TSP Curl P1-R (0.5, 1, 1.3), TSP Curl P4 (1.3)

I've just started a new topic on how to best remove glue... hopefully we can make that job a little less painful.

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Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide