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 Post subject: Re: New: Secret Flow
PostPosted: 24 Aug 2014, 01:12 
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Al Strelzoff wrote:
I've been playing with Secret Flow now for two weeks and like it very much. I have 1.5 sponge. I have two sheets of it, one on a Sauer and Tröger Firestarter and the other on their Zeus.

I don't chop much on my forehand, but I find Secret Flow very good for driving and accurate hitting with good control. I particularly like its feel, which of course is partly due to the Zeus blade which is truely amazing. I like it on Firestarter too, but Zeus gives me a better ball feeling and a bit more speed and control.

I've had good results at my club (WTT), and also compared it with various rubber sheets using my robot at home. I like it better than Butterfly tackiness chop, which it most closely resembles from forehand rubber that I have tried. I have also compared it to Dr. Neubauer defensive and find it more lively with better control.

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True. It's also even very accurate for hitting in the 2,1 version. It's also very good and controlled for chopping, pushing, fishing and serving. I haven't tested it yet for looping, because I'm struggling with my health at the moment and decent looping is still out of the question.

@Pascal Tröger: How's the quality control? Am I sure, when I buy the rubber again, it will be more or less the same product, meaning the same amount of stickiness, hardness of the sponge,...?

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Pascal, I know you have used NSD before Zeus.

I have NSD, and Secret Flow is actually barely long enough to cover all blade.
This is NOT a very big problem, just info.

So if you make an update some day, please make it just a little longer.
I really looking forward to try this rubber.
Feels good so far.

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Geddk wrote:
Pascal, I know you have used NSD before Zeus.

I have NSD, and Secret Flow is actually barely long enough to cover all blade.
This is NOT a very big problem, just info.

So if you make an update some day, please make it just a little longer.
I really looking forward to try this rubber.
Feels good so far.

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Geddk, what thickness and colour are you using?

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Lorre wrote:
Geddk wrote:
Pascal, I know you have used NSD before Zeus.

I have NSD, and Secret Flow is actually barely long enough to cover all blade.
This is NOT a very big problem, just info.

So if you make an update some day, please make it just a little longer.
I really looking forward to try this rubber.
Feels good so far.

Cheers
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Geddk, what thickness and colour are you using?


1.5 mm red

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Geddk wrote:
Pascal, I know you have used NSD before Zeus.

I have NSD, and Secret Flow is actually barely long enough to cover all blade.
This is NOT a very big problem, just info.

So if you make an update some day, please make it just a little longer.
I really looking forward to try this rubber.
Feels good so far.

I think that's a very good suggestion, especially for defensive rubbers, which are often used on defensive blade, which are often oversize.

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I'm thinking of purchasing this as this is a lot cheaper than the majority of the rubbers out there.

Relatively, how fast is 2.1mm on a slow blade like the donic defplay senso, because I find it quite hard to generate power from the donic defplay sense blade unless I use a lot of waist.

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It was said above its similar in speed to Victas VS>401, so on tabletennisdb that would put it around 7.7. I'd suggest looking at the ratings of other rubbers you like the speed of to compare.

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Can someone compare this Flow Chop to the Donic Bluefire M2 or M3 in terms of hardness, spin and throw angle? Thanks.

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Lorre wrote:
Old-Man-Southpaw wrote:
I really NEED to know how fast or slow it is
and how well it spins
control is subjective but a comparison would be good there too
and is it good at serving, pushing, chopping, hitting, fishing, looping compared to the other rubbers


It has two gears: slow on slow shots and it absorbs hard shots quite effectively. Fast when you go yourself. But I wouldn't say it's faster than the Victas, though, when being active.

I tested Secret Flow chop 2.1 with Joola CWX blade and at first it seems to be interesting rubber. Like Lorre says, it's slow and controlled on passive shot, but you can make pretty fast balls when you are active. The basic speed is quite slow, which helps you to bring more balls to table, but on the other hand in shots like fishing, slower speed balls may be too easy for the opponent. Serves are tight and controlled. I managed to push long several shots when trying to load the ball with spin, so it's not that secure in active play. It seems that I can also do very slow and very spinny loops with it, which is one of my favorite shots. Compared to my normal Joola Rhyzm 2.1 rubber, SFC is tackier and lot less bouncier.
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So far I have been happy with Secret Flow 2.1. :D It's propably most secure blocking rubber I have ever played, when combined with Joola CWX blade. Also loops against ox pips defence land safely shot after shot, althought speed is not high... :lol: Overall FH defence with fishing and stuff is very secure. Dwell time is long, so you get that nice catch and release feeling. :rock: And it's fun to do ripping loop motion, only to see the ball just passing the net and waiting, what opponent is going to do about it - hopefully not smashing it right back to you... Ultra high lobs a'la Filus are also easy to perform.
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And it's fun to do ripping loop motion, only to see the ball just passing the net and waiting, what opponent is going to do about it - hopefully not smashing it right back to you...


I don't remember it being that slow.

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Roy wrote:
And it's fun to do ripping loop motion, only to see the ball just passing the net and waiting, what opponent is going to do about it - hopefully not smashing it right back to you...

I don't remember it being that slow.

I meant to say that you can do that kind of slow loop with max spin against many kind of returns and it's propably more effective than average medium loop, depending on opponent. :lol:

Against top spin you get actually quite speed on your loops with Secret Flow, but against backspin, speed is harder to generate, but balls land with good percentage.
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Hello,

I have a question: I was playing all my life in the forehand with rubbers as Sriver G2 or most recently Xion Vega Pro (high tension technology) and attacking a lot with them. But my shots were always sidespins with lot of spin on them. Do you think it has sense to try this rubber or I will really feel a big difference with speed?

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