OOAK Table Tennis Forum

There are several different incoming spin tolerance properties:
1) service receive and short game
2) opening loop against long push
3) counter hitting against loops

My primary interest is 3. Many tell that it is my luck of looping technique but I know some rubbers are better then others.
I am almost sure that in general harder sponge is better for 3. Not sure that thinner sponge helps.
Not sure what pimple geometry is beneficial to counter spin.

You may ask why you do not play short pips for counter hitting. In my experience SP are less sensitive to spin but more sensitive to blade angle for both speed and spin.

Does anybody else is looking not for the fastest and spiniest rubber but better counter spin rubber?

Yes, I am of this thinking too, I look for spin insensitivity to play a more passive, reactive game.

Outer ply of your blades’ wood has a correlation on whether thin sponge helps or not.

I find harder Koto wood has very good spin insensitive qualities for spin blocking/countering close to table so thinner sponge makes sense here. Thinner sponge on thick Kiso Hinoki seemed to bring out more of the catapulting nature of the wood which is not so good for spin insensitivity though good in active attacking (drive looping) or punch blocking. Using the same spin blocking technique usually results in catapulting the ball out and in the rare times it’s not, a crowd pleasing winner loaded with quality haha.

Hard sponge for me is probably the biggest single difference maker. I used 60 deg hardness Omega 7 China Ying and could counter drive and block like a wall, it hardly gets affected by spin and its topsheet is one of the highest grip around right now.

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i also have an outter Carbon + Framire outter ply
Rubbers are Nittaku Gorikki Kaisoku and Tibhar Quantum X Pro.
Also played Factive.
Good choices for countersmashing,Block and somewhat neutralizing spin.
So basically Stiff Blade with Hard rubbers all in 2.0mm,topsheet grippy not tacky.
If you dont want to play SP the Nittaku is a good choice for an inverted,the Quantum is moore sensitive but can also produce more spin.
I honestly believe its the whole composition not only rubber,,topsheet,pimple structre,thickness,Blade etc alone.

I finally found the rubber I need. It is Palio AK-47 Red.
Perfect control. Spin insensitive. Linear. Powerful.

hard sponge?

Not very hard. Like typical ESN 45-47 hard tensor. Better then TIbhar Evolution MX-S for my game. I use my FH for service, pushing and smash/counterhit.

Hey Omut,

I have found that either having a LOOSE grip AT IMPACT or FIRMING RIGHT AT MOMENT of Impact over-rides strong incoming topspin.

There are some rubbers that perform countering better than others. MANY of the modern tensors in the sponge firmness of your optimal zone are usually good choices.

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I am not sure to agree. In my experience loose grip improves dwell time and increase incoming spin reaction. Unless you are relooping spin into even more spin, firmer grip helps to transform incoming spin into speed.