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You almost smiled. Looked like a "why am I here and what is...oh crap a camera" moment. I recommend folding and covering at the same time.

Congrats but how can you take on this job without remotely fixing fastmover's forehand topspin vs backspin?

Joking obviously. Congrats!

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Cool! We will be seeing you on ittv.

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You shouldn't swing over the top of every ball, nor should you swing up on every ball. Your body needs to shape your arm for the exact situation you are facing.

I understand what FruitLoop was doing with his advice. He thinks that fastmover needs to rotate better, which will result in swinging forward and over the ball more. He's possibly right and he's prescribing an overcompensation learning technique. It's quite legit if it's understood and accepted by the player.

I'm just saying that you should shape your body and arm together to deal with every individual ball. This will always include a combination of fold/unfold and hip rotation.

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It's 1am in at my new home in Patiala and I'm trying to fix this thread!!! I've read several pages about fastmover's forehand and I've been exposed to multiple animals eating popcorn. I should be spending some time on finding all of Ma Long's weaknesses.

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When the ball drops below the table, you need to fold/unfold like there is no tomorrow. When the ball is higher, you need to turn the hip around with some micro fold/unfold.

Do rabbits actually eat popcorn? I need to know.

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"Junior paddlers"

Congrats, Brett!

I was smiling with my eyes! Take a closer look please.

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Definitely agreed! I just wanted to see the result because I think the way he is thinking about it is hindering him and the result of trying my suggestion may be a little revelatory for him. It might not work of course and what NL says about understanding the meaning of words on a page can be very difficult in these situations is definitely true.

I was reminded of your LTT skype video with Ben where he did backhands vs robot backspin. Similar idea!

Congratulations Brett.

It will be fascinating seeing the results of your coaching ideas on what is a really strong upcoming table tennis nation. Their top juniors are bound to be very very strong.

Yes. Swinging over a ball is Relative. One of my students thought he was looping backspin by swing on top of the ball and I asked him to literally do that and it always went into the net. No one hits the top of the ball vs heavy backspin.

But I am a believer that you should feel as if you are coming forward and over the ball especially if you want to keep the ball low. You can add more arc if necessary. But this is all talking. Someone might call what I described as swinging forward a vertical stroke. But fastmover is clearly a very logical guy so we need to communicate to him in very specific language. Pgpg or ziv can translate to Russian? Brett to Rabbit-Latin? BRS to Giraffe?

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I think fastmover understands pictures well. Someone has to draw another picture for him.

Watching Jeoung Youngsik play...he did do 1 thing that wasn't a disaster. He would get a backhand crosscourt and then he would place the next backhand to the pocket. Ma Long didn't deal with this amazingly. Some of it comes because Ma Long doesn't seem to want to go down the line with a backhand.

One example: https://youtu.be/J70oAq7qt1I?t=179

CLICK THE LINK NOT THE PICTURE.

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Done!

Note the right foot placement and the new finishing position. That's what everyone has been getting at for the past week. Over 500 combined man hours have been spent on this topic and it could have all been explained in another fastmover drawing. Sorry it took so long to get this finished.

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