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PostPosted: 01 May 2015, 22:16 
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They sound interesting, has anyone tried them? Supposedly designed for the new plastic balls...for whatever that's worth.
Colestt.com is carrying them and he has a short description.
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Assassin is a new offering from Air that is a versatile "utility" rubber designed for the player who wins points in a variety of ways. A firmer topsheets gives AssassinS more of a push/hit feel then the loopier Illumina. It is barely tacky, but fairly spinny. Reviews have been great.

DefenderS is a fairly spinny control rubber currently available in only 1.5mm thickness. The topsheet isn't sticky at all but is very soft and grippy. Even in 1.5 this is a pretty fast defensive rubber which has more of a punchblocking feel.


Air's new look website http://airtabletennis.com/ has some descriptions:
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DefenderS is another proud rubber for the new plastic bell era. It's suitable for technical playing styles. We use the Chinese traditional tacky rubber technology to let DefenderS not only spin but also increase elasticity and power. Through our more than 120 days of continuous testing with the new plastic balls, we've mastered the reaction. DefenderS is your guide. The middle soft topsheet gives you enough grip, spin and control. You can easily catch and hold the ball. The new Cellular OriginalS+rfe37 helps you to improve the accuracy by 25%. DefenderS is the perfect balance between dynamic catapult effect and control. Through the understanding of Chinese Kung Fu, especially in Tai Chi Chuai, we obtained more inspiration. "Conquering the unyielding with the yielding, temper force with mercy" is the essence of DefenderS.

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AssassinS is good at professional style and popular style. You can easy play a professional style with it. Like its name, AssassinS is sharp, technical and dynamic. Forget the speed glue feeling. Let's experience the new feeling in the new plastic ball era. The new plastic ball is more slick and drifting. When you hit the ball, it's like you touch a broken celluloid ball, to make you negative to play the game. The Cellular OriginalS+rfe37 formula and technology give AssassinS more dynamic sponge and topsheet, more speed on its gluing and more spin on its topsheet. It's about 25% more elastic. Your mid-distance power is enough to play at any style. The special pips structure gives the rubber good support and grip. The sponge and frictionally sticky topsheet make it more spinny and create a friction drive. More power is more power. More grip is more spin and more control.


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They sound interesting, has anyone tried them? Supposedly designed for the new plastic balls...for whatever that's worth.
Colestt.com is carrying them and he has a short description.
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Assassin is a new offering from Air that is a versatile "utility" rubber designed for the player who wins points in a variety of ways. A firmer topsheets gives AssassinS more of a push/hit feel then the loopier Illumina. It is barely tacky, but fairly spinny. Reviews have been great.

DefenderS is a fairly spinny control rubber currently available in only 1.5mm thickness. The topsheet isn't sticky at all but is very soft and grippy. Even in 1.5 this is a pretty fast defensive rubber which has more of a punchblocking feel.


Air's new look website http://airtabletennis.com/ has some descriptions:
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DefenderS is another proud rubber for the new plastic bell era. It's suitable for technical playing styles. We use the Chinese traditional tacky rubber technology to let DefenderS not only spin but also increase elasticity and power. Through our more than 120 days of continuous testing with the new plastic balls, we've mastered the reaction. DefenderS is your guide. The middle soft topsheet gives you enough grip, spin and control. You can easily catch and hold the ball. The new Cellular OriginalS+rfe37 helps you to improve the accuracy by 25%. DefenderS is the perfect balance between dynamic catapult effect and control. Through the understanding of Chinese Kung Fu, especially in Tai Chi Chuai, we obtained more inspiration. "Conquering the unyielding with the yielding, temper force with mercy" is the essence of DefenderS.

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AssassinS is good at professional style and popular style. You can easy play a professional style with it. Like its name, AssassinS is sharp, technical and dynamic. Forget the speed glue feeling. Let's experience the new feeling in the new plastic ball era. The new plastic ball is more slick and drifting. When you hit the ball, it's like you touch a broken celluloid ball, to make you negative to play the game. The Cellular OriginalS+rfe37 formula and technology give AssassinS more dynamic sponge and topsheet, more speed on its gluing and more spin on its topsheet. It's about 25% more elastic. Your mid-distance power is enough to play at any style. The special pips structure gives the rubber good support and grip. The sponge and frictionally sticky topsheet make it more spinny and create a friction drive. More power is more power. More grip is more spin and more control.


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I like the Defender, great control and spin...but I was told that the Defender was not currently on the approved list, is it back?
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Cole tossed in a sheet of Assassin S in one of my orders last year and I slapped it on a Clipper clone blade...

I was impressed, rubber has possibilities for use on FH, and mot many rubbers would cut it for me on FH. I used it on BH wing on that bat, a very controllable allround OFF rubber well worth it.

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Has anyone tried the defenderS, and tried it for a chopping game? I am currently looking for a backhand chopping rubber as ive been playing a double inverted chopping game as of late..... Successfully...

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Great description of the rubber...they certainly know how to market their rubber. This one gave me a chuckle "The new Cellular OriginalS+rfe37 helps you to improve the accuracy by 25%. Through the understanding of Chinese Kung Fu, especially in Tai Chi Chuai, we obtained more inspiration. "Conquering the unyielding with the yielding, temper force with mercy" is the essence of DefenderS. "

These rubbers are made in China, right?

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I would be utterly disappointed if these rubbers were manufactured in northern Virginia...

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How does "professional style" differ from "popular style", other than professionals play better than "popular"?

I take it these are Chinese rubber? I do like the packaging illustrations - they've got definitely got "style"... :lol: $40 a sheet means I won't be buying any anytime soon, though.. oh wait, that's for a blade plus two sheet combo.. :lol: $16 is a lot more doable.

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I would be utterly disappointed if these rubbers were manufactured in northern Virginia...

?? Why? Did you hear that they are? I live in NoVA, so if there is a source that would be of interest to me. Are you here?

I just ordered a sheet of the 1.5mm Defender to test on the FH. I would mainly use it to chop, block, smash, and slow loop. If it can do all of those well, but with a bit more spin than Reflectoid or my LKT customized sheet, I'll be a happy camper.

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I just ordered a sheet of defenderS in 1.5. I have a sheet of AssassinS in 2.1 and hit briefly with it on a defensive blade and it felt fine. It is clearly harder topsheet than illumina.


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I just ordered a sheet of defenderS in 1.5. I have a sheet of AssassinS in 2.1 and hit briefly with it on a defensive blade and it felt fine. It is clearly harder topsheet than illumina.

Me too, and I'm hoping it chops well. I'm looking for something that chops close to TSP Triple spin, but gives me a bit more sponge to loop a little.

IF you get it before I do, let me know what you think.

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I just got a set up from cole. defenders S black 1.5 for my backhand globe999 air sponge 30 on a Dawei F (off) blade. I've hit and trained with it for one three hour session so far so my experience is limited, but I thought I would give you my first impression. The setup hit clean, it had a nice sweet spot and with really good control. As long as I was hitting through the ball I felt confident I could place it on either corner with good control. I didn't return many servers since i was mostly a training with a Club member. I worked mostly on looping and driving with some blocking and straight hitting. I don't have much of an idea about it in reference to the short game touch etc yet. With that in mind my first impression was that I felt like the defenders S rubber performed well. And for hitting it felt like the gears were there if I needed it. So far so good, I'm looking forward to seeing what else it can do. I will post an up date after playing with it 5 or 6 times in matches.



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I like the Defender, great control and spin...but I was told that the Defender was not currently on the approved list, is it back?
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Both DefenderS and AssassinS are on the approved ITTF LARC list for April 1, 2015 to September 30, 2015.


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theOldDuffer wrote:

I like the Defender, great control and spin...but I was told that the Defender was not currently on the approved list, is it back?
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Both DefenderS and AssassinS are on the approved ITTF LARC list for April 1, 2015 to September 30, 2015.


That is great, thanks
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I like the Defender, great control and spin...but I was told that the Defender was not currently on the approved list, is it back?
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tOD,

Can you speak to how it plays? Chops/Blocks anything?

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I like the Defender, great control and spin...but I was told that the Defender was not currently on the approved list, is it back?
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tOD,

Can you speak to how it plays? Chops/Blocks anything?


Can't address chopping, but everything backhand and forehand seemed to a very contolled evolution. Superb touch and angular control, throw about medium and good for flat hitting off the bounce.
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