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How is this LP for chopping mid distance against topspin?

Many people love it for that (if you check out Gustaf Ericson and Fabian Akerstrom, I believe they both use it for that, as well as for other things). Personally, I found it too unforgiving of slight deviations from perfection in your approach, but it could've been something about my technique or my blade-rubber combo. On the other hand, Spinlord must've recognized that there was an issue, because when they released the Agenda rubber (which is great for chopping but bad for blocking), they explicitly marketed it as an improvement on Dornenglanz for chopping.

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Ridderz, this has been answered a lot. In fact, I think you asked me about this before directly. DG chops very well, and gives back massive backspin...provided you get massive topspin. That's good and bad because there is little to no variation, but I believe it to have the highest backspin potiential of all OX rubbers.

Still, anyone over 1900 USATT will know to give you slow topspin to your LPs, you will chop, and they'll know EXACTLY how much backspin they will be receiving.

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those slow topspins can be really easy countered with inverted or keeped low and long with LP making it still hard to attack strongly


its best ox LP u can get with best backspin after topspin
problem is with it's durbality (it lasts 1-2 months)

now im testing DG2, but after 1 week i see its completly different rubber, worse rubber (less backspin, more senstive to spin)

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Agreed!

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sometimes yes, sometimes no. I had one sheet last 2 months, and 2 others are over 4 months old...both have all their pips.

I use sponge and grip to deal with placement and to keep the better loopers from just 3rd balling me. With DG, I found that the smart loopers will feed you a ball with a certain spin, knowing you will chop it, and since there is zero variation, or spin-killing, they are saavy enough to loop it with confidence, no matter how well placed it is or how low and long it is. Again, this is vs. better players. Players my level and lower have an impossible time with DG.

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Agree. I've had one sheet last a very long time, and one lose some pips. My current one is doing fine.



Agree 100%

However, it's all a matter of technique. There are very strong players with DG who don't get killed this way.

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ok, i stopped testing DG2. its completly different rubber.

i have tested many pips and i found that DG is the best LP OX rubber.
but its durbality its horrible.... (im playing 8-10 hours per week and this pip lasts max 5 weeks).

guys... do u know any other pip which could be similar to DG, something similar which i can consider to test?
(low throw and massive backspin on topspins)


ps. dtecs doesnt count, it has about 30% less backspin than DG on chops

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have you tried that viper soft they are all talking about?

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nope, i will read it

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as i could understood, it is similar to hellfire, which is IMO slower DG...so it could work the same on a faster blade...

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my style is similar to fabian akerstorm
and hellfire didnt have same amount of backspin as DG

and if u look for best OX LP players... they uses same build LP (pips close eachother, flat top of pips)

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yes, me too...

i since went frictionless anti way...because couldnt find DG replacement among lp-s...

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Hello i am from Romania, PushBlocker, and i want to say , this rubber (DornenGlanz) is one of the best for pasive play even with plastic balls!

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What colour did you use?

Durability is problem with this rubber, but is there difference between red and black rubber durability?