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PostPosted: 28 Apr 2017, 19:44 
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For those of you that play hardbat, what blades (and rubbers) from the mainstream manufacturers do you find suitable for hardbat?

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Dr Evil for me, but I've only tried it on that slow blade I made with the laser cutter (still double-sided taped together :lol: ), so it was extremely slow... wil probably true on something a bit faster.

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I'm using Friendship 802 OX short pips on a Butterfly Matsushita Pro Special blade (willow/carbon). I've not really used hardbat type rubbers before (only long pips with no sponge), so I don't know whether it would be considered traditional hardbat, but I find it makes for a very nice combination, and I'm starting to play quite well with it actually!

Chopping was quite easy to pick up, the attacking took a little bit longer to find the right bat angle but I'm getting there.

At any rate, it is a lot of fun to play with and it has gotten me quite a bit of attention at the club when people hear the sound of a hardbat thwocking the ball! ;)

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The hardbat topspin drive is a little different - very short backswing if any, concave bat path, ending up over your head. If against backspin (lots of chop vs. topspin drive rallies in hardbat, or at least there were in the past), it's even done with an open racket face. Check out all those old hardbat videos on YouTube.

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I thought it has to be all-wood for the blade?!

I guess I'd use Sword 309 with WP1013 and 802-40 if I'd gave it a try.

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I thought it has to be all-wood for the blade?!

I guess I'd use Sword 309 with WP1013 and 802-40 if I'd gave it a try.


I think it has to be all-wood for official hardbat tournaments, at least in the US. However, to explore 'hardbat-style' TT, you can use any combination of blade and OX rubbers, purists be damned.

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There's some evidence that some rubbers used during the "classic" period (1930s-1950s) were actually quite long-pipped.

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Thanks guys!

My main question was really about what current blades are suitable for hardbat style play. Are we saying any all-wood blade would do? Were they usually fast blades? Were they stiff, hard, etc?

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The classic old hardbat blades were generally:

1) Bigger than current blades, what we'd call "oversized".

2) Often three or five ply. Forget what the classic Hocks were made of, I think basswood. Bernard Hock had the plywood made at a factory to his specs, rather than gluing it up himself. The three ply blades were slower and meant for choppers, the five plies were for allround or attacking play. I think the consensus is they were slower than current five ply blades.

3) I think most people used ST handles (Bernard Hock was ADAMANT that FL handles didn't have any control).

Aside from this, the sides were usually rounded. You used a file to cut the rubber to size, and you'd probably end up filing away some of the wood.

So.. what modern mass-produced blades fit the bill? Probably most of them are usable enough, but the closest I've heard of to the old blades would be those KTL/LKT Toxic blades. Actually, I wouldn't mind getting one or two myself, just for hardbat. Don't seem to be made any more, though, at least Eacheng doesn't seem to sell them any more. Failing that, I suppose something like an oversized Stiga Allround Classic would be nice. I'm sure a M8 would work, but it's got a normal-sized head.

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I was a full-time hardbat player (mostly against sponge players) for about 10 years with an LKT Toxic 3 with Dr. Evil. For what it is worth, I am primarily a hitter.


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I was a full-time hardbat player (mostly against sponge players) for about 10 years with an LKT Toxic 3 with Dr. Evil. For what it is worth, I am primarily a hitter.

Wow, I would have thought the Toxic 3 was too slow for hitting...

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For me, at least with hardbat, the blade is everything. The shot I win most points with is a hard, flat hit, and the Toxic 3 is plenty fast. It usually takes a few topspin drives to lead up to that flat hit, though, and I find that a soft/slow blade allows me to produce enough topspin to bring those drives down on the table. Other hardbatters prefer faster, harder blades, but I have found nothing I like better than the Toxic 3.


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